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Hey everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Glee on the Rocks.
I'm be.

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And I'm Mandy.
And we are going to talk about

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season 4, episode 9 Swan Song
and we are without Emily today.

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She's having a nice, relaxing,
time somewhere.

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That doesn't involve.
Its I didn't think about until

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just a second, but swan song is
like your Last song isn't like a

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death knell thing and that
didn't know.

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I mean, like I guess they were
kinda going for that with the

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whole.
Oh no lesion, love this over.

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Yeah, it doesn't really fit.
Well, I see.

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Okay, so we're coming off of the
Cliffhanger at the end of the

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last episode.
Remember seeing the Fallout of

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all of that.
So, thanks to our friends at the

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Glee.
Wiki, I'll read there quick.

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Very short recap.
After Marley's onstage faint at

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sectionals the new directions
learn of their loss at the

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competition back at nyada.
Kurt and Rachel are both

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extremely nervous.
Rachel about the winter showcase

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and whether she will be chosen
and curd for re auditioning for

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the school.
The new directions begin to

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split apart is their
competition.

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Season is over but Finn and
Marley attempt to bring the

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spark back.
The episode was directed by Brad

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falchuk and written by new
co-executive producer, Stacy

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Traub trout.
Which I'm never heard that name

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in my life, so I have not
either.

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I was just thinking it's pretty
rare.

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That a Glee writers name isn't
one, I recognize weight and she

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became a co-executive producer
and was never heard from again.

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Huh?
I guess we'll see if she comes

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back up a different time.
I think my overall impression of

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the episode is just like I feel
like it could have been a little

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more for being like coming off
the cliff hanger.

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Yeah, I mean, basically Blaine
shows up with this juice And

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then the Cliffhanger is like
resolved that's cute.

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It doesn't get the attention and
maybe there's a whole other

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episode about it that is still
to come and I just don't

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remember it because at this
point I don't remember it.

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I don't remember much of the
Season except for key Kurt and

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Blaine scenes.
I mean yeah.

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I'm like yeah, because I'm like
is there I really don't?

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There's probably not.
But yeah, I really thought there

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would be more.
About Marley about like the

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Warblers.
Yeah, we're getting.

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Yeah, we get a little bit of
like Exposition there between

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because Kurt has just gotten a
call from Blaine catching him up

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on things and that's really it.
It's like you get this you're so

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right.
Marley Marley is like a Uzi.

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They get her the juice.
They get her mom and fucking

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shoes, like get back out on the
stage and I'm like, are you

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fucking serious?
Their high schoolers?

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Nobody's going to.
This is not real life.

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Just absolutely no way.
But yeah.

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And then that's basically I
think the tone of the episode

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just doesn't feel like the
payoff from the Cliffhanger

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because very soon.
They're like, okay, we lost and

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yes, Kurt is like, oh Blaine
just told me they lost and

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Rachel.
Basically says, okay, well I'm

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not going to think about that.
Basically tells the audience

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like Like that's not what this
episode is about.

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That's their problem that really
is what she what she does, and

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it completely kills the urgency
of a click like this didn't need

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to be a cliffhanger.
It's just like they ran out of

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time, writing the last episode,
but they already knew what they

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wanted for this one.
It's really work, but whatever,

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its Glee.
So I guess it works.

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Oh no, I just always feel like
the writers are not talking to

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each other.
Like I feel like Stacy was like

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I want to do this plot.
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Do you want to do that plot?
And then we had to bridge it

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somehow and the town just
shifted terribly because that's

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kind of our whole plot for
McKinley is okay, they lost.

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So now what?
And almost immediately, all of

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the Glee club members are like,
that's fine.

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I'll do something else.
Yeah, that's incredibly weird.

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Like, is that how all
extracurriculars work there?

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I mean, they loved one and then
they just get a new Allure like

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the fact that the Glee club
would be completely disbanded is

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ridiculous for so many reasons,
but it's the biggest one to me

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is like, okay, I thought we
fixed that in season one.

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I thought the whole thing about
like Glee Club, almost getting

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cancelled was fixed after the
whole, like season finale of

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season one where, you know, even
though they lost regionals, they

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still got to stay a club.
So why?

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Yeah, I mean it literally was a
plot before and maybe Stacey

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didn't watch season 14.
Okay, there's another thing too.

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I was looking at the glue
wiki-like extra stuff and in the

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episode home, which is season
one, right?

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April Rhodes.
Buys them the auditorium where

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they can use it anytime.
But then in this episode sue,

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you know, does that thing where
she divides all the time slots

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into like 15 minute increments
or something?

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I forgot about that completely
we to, and when I read that, I

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was like, oh my God, that is
right.

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Like they're supposed to have.
They're supposed to be the,

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they're supposed to be the ones
who decide who gets to use the.

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Yeah.
Really.

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It's supposed to literally be
their Auditorium.

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Yeah.
And I know nothing happened to

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refute that because the Glee
wiki would know they know all so

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I believe I yes.
And there they take their there.

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Wire room for extra Cheerio,
practice space and has all these

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very nonsensical things.
Like I've never known a high

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school that didn't have a choir.
I feel like choir is a very

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standard.
Yeah, curricular.

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I mean, even my school had a
choir.

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We didn't have a glee club but
we acquire exactly like some

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kind of chorus.
Yeah.

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Class is always a thing.
I think I would be interested to

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hear about a school that didn't
have one.

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Maybe it was like a little tiny
school but yeah, I also liked

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shoe asking if they could use
the Spanish classroom.

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Doesn't he likely not teach
Spanish team or he's he and

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Ricky Martin are very close
friend.

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Yeah, I was gonna ask Ricky if
they could use the Spanish room,

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I mean that makes more sense
because I was just picturing

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shoe.
Just hangs out in the Spanish

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room all day long.
They didn't actually give him

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anything else to teach that was
a bust.

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So he just hangs out.
It seems like Stacey didn't

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watch season 3.
It was established.

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He's no longer.
Spanish teacher.

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Oh God, I thought it was very
interesting.

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What clubs the different members
join?

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Yeah, write that down.
This is this is where we get,

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Blaine is a Cheerio.
Yes, which he he becomes one and

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then I think is no longer one by
the end of this episode because

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he's not wearing the uniform at
the end, but then he's

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definitely one later.
So maybe they just were like,

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no, we're going to keep him
quiet.

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But at the end like kitty and
Brittany still have on the

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Cheerios uniform, but Tina and
blame, don't you more?

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So I was like, hmm.
Yeah, I put in y.

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So that's episode though.
So I don't know.

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Yeah, I can't remember if
they're still.

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I feel like that was more than
one episode thing, but that also

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might just be that I'm
remembering that there were a

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million and a half fix about it.
Yes, maybe it just felt more

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significant in my head.
I know, because I think my

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biggest thing was like, oh my
gosh, Blaine never got.

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You see Cheerio Kurt.
Yeah and now he himself is a

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Cheerio estimating.
Yeah, we have our tea is in the

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band, right?
Yes.

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And a drum major is actually
really hard to be so writers of

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Glee.
Wait, because Finn is like, I

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don't even know what club you
joined.

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Looks like a peacock on your
head.

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I'm like, this being played
football for four years and he

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doesn't know what the marching
band uniform looks like.

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It's just twiddling his thumbs
staring up at the sky fire time.

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The marching band would be
playing apparently clearly that

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it was funny.
Blaine a teen on the Cheerios.

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What else do we got?
Oh, unique on joins, the floor

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hockey or hockey.
So that she asked, which did

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that made me laugh, that was
funny.

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That was, that was, I'm not
gonna say Because it's not go

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quite that far but it was at
least a stupid Glee.

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Yes, I loved the touch of like
her not being able to stand up,

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I even on this case but later on
the team and then the worst one

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Joe joins, the Interfaith
paintball League.

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What does he say?
We're Christians, Jews and

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Muslims can shoot at each other
in peace or something, terrible.

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No, it's so bad it's so bad.
There's even like the Cutaway

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scene where they show them doing
it.

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And I'm like, wow, that gets
funding and yet, the Glee Club

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Audi, those places?
I'll have designated spaces to

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practice or rehearse, but the
one that the group that

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literally one their national
competition the year before,

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doesn't You can't tell me that
paintball league, has a

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subversion of Nationals and they
made it there.

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That girl looked expensive, this
gun can not be cheap.

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We also somewhere in this early
segment, got the, the little

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Montage of what they would be
doing without Glee.

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Oh yes.
Which has the infamous Blaine

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performing on the bathhouse
circuit line, which the older I

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get the more I'm like, He was 17
fucking years old their get away

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with that.
Talk about a line that launched

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a thousand fix though.
Like yeah, that was a whole era.

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It was I didn't write down the
other ones.

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I only ride down the bathhouse
one.

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Yeah.
Why didn't I do?

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Remember that Brittany was like
doing great in school because it

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turns out really was all the
your back, your back.

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Yes, that one was good.
But the the best part of that

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whole plot I think was Brad.
Yes, I wrote that entire line.

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Down like that.
That's a fantastic one.

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That was also the first time
Brad ever speaks.

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Yes, I saw that in the trivia.
I was like, yeah.

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Oh my God, he's just always been
there in the background on the

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piano but yeah he said I can't
tell you how much I hate those

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kids.
Do, you know how demeaning it

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is?
When they just turned to your

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and yell hit it and you just
supposed to know what songs are

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going to see another.
He's like I'm free.

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Yes, free bread and free.
Fuck.

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But yeah.
So we have we have the whole a

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plot with the Glee Club thing.
Do we want to detour into

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salmon?
Brittany or curtain?

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Great.
I was about to say, let's go

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salmon, bringing before we go to
New York because I felt Sam and

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Brittany was very out of left
field.

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Personally, did I miss this
thing?

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It was more out of left field
than I remembered it being

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because I remembered that they
were together, right?

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But I don't know like that there
was some kind of little

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flirtation in the last episode.
Hmm, I think was the last one

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and then suddenly, it's just
like, bam.

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of acknowledgement of Santana

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and then the, what lesbian
bloggers lime, yes, which I had

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forgotten about until I heard it
and then I immediately was

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filled with rage all over again.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Ryan Murphy hates the fandom was

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always a through Linus.
Actually in season 4, it really.

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Was like you could just you
could sense the like vitriol

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behind that one hostility.
Like it was like it was the

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lesbian blogger Community.
Like yeah, it was.

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So explicitly talking about
Tumblr, Britannia fans on

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Tumblr.
Yes and I know I know that

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Britannia fans were passionate
but I also like I did.

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I don't I didn't entirely go
there but I don't remember

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Amber, anyone being really upset
the idea of Brittany being

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bisexual?
Like I remember if people wanted

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Brittany and Santana to end up
together but right, I don't

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know.
I feel like Ryan Murphy just

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felt the volume of the message
but didn't really understand

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what the words were.
Yes, because this is like Ryan

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Murphy completely on purpose,
missing the point, of course.

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Yeah.
Well because it's like, the

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point wasn't that Britt can
never die.

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Men ever now.
Yes, she dated one woman the

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point.
Was that the representation of

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having this Sapphic couple that
you, you know, went from being a

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joke to being very serious and
an emotional journey to get.

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There was just in it was
important and the fact that you

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threw it away for what I mean
not throw it away but you know

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you broke them up with everybody
else.

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It was like okay.
Now, you went from having

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Sapphic representation to having
none and just putting Brittany

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It To Me.
Maybe it made more sense at the

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time, but it kind of felt like
well ugly does, which is just

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like, oh, we got a couple
everybody up.

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Nobody can stay single for long,
you know, you know, she hasn't

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dated Sam and they did do that
duet in the election episode.

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That's the only thing I remember
about that but it wasn't

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romantic or anything but you
know, I don't know.

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I guess they look fine together.
They're fine together.

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That's that's pretty much how I
feel about them.

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It's like it's fine.
I mean I maybe it is just

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because of how like poignant the
development between Brittany and

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Santana was that I'm just like,
oh this follows it up.

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Well, okay, and that mean that's
always how the hetero couples

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are, isn't it?
It's just we're just together

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now.
Yeah, we're going to make out in

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the back of scenes and always be
handsy and stuff.

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Whereas the queer couples have
to go through these like

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horrible arduous trials and
tribulations and then get broken

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up for no reason.
Really pretty much.

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They have twice the fight to get
together, they usually get to be

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together less time and then they
get the same like half-assed

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breakup treatment.
And with consistent writing

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afterwards.
Yes.

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Because like my Mike Lane heart
loves a how Kurt and Blaine were

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just talking to each other, you
know, in this episode it was

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implied.
We're talking together.

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No, it was nice to see them,
build a friendship.

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And I guess what I like about
this back, half of season 4 with

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them, is they're really like
almost starting over.

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Yeah, they are like, yeah, yeah.
That was pretty much what was

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going through my head and I do
like that.

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I don't always like it, like,
sometimes I think maybe they

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should be able to reconnect on a
different level.

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Like instead of start over like
a build forward and an in the

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latter half of season four.
I do think that they do that

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better but in like Seasons five
and six, there's a little bit of

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like, right, you know?
No, you're not wash.

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Rinse.
Repeat will do.

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But major weakness of Glee is
always going to be the can't

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write a couple unless they're
breaking up like in con they

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can't write good.
They're very, they struggle.

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Is I'm trying to say with
writing good conflict, that's

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not A breakup.
So like I think that's

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ultimately my thing with
Brittany.

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And Sam I'm like for what like
what are these two people going

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to go through that's going to
even matter or be significant.

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Like, you literally nothing
serious mid game for both of

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them.
Yeah, I can't even remember when

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they break up.
I literally like I remembered

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that they were together for a
while but I don't even have a

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concept of how long same.
I can't be longer than this

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season.
I swear yeah, baby.

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But but we do get them singing.
It's time.

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Is right?
Your perfume fills my head, the

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stars get red and all the nights
over and then I go and spoil it

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all by saying something stupid.
Like I love you.

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That's a cute song they're cute
together like I mean singing

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together.
It's very sweet.

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Yeah, I think it was a little on
the nose since they're both.

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They've both been characterized
as like the dumb character.

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I was like and you're going to
have them sing a song called

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something stupid.
I just decided.

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Yeah.
You're like setting up their

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relationship to be kind of a
joke.

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I just want bread to be who she
is.

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Like that's fine if she wants to
date Sam.

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I just, I hated when Glee put
couples together just because

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they didn't know what else to do
with them because they were the

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currently single characters on
the show.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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But that happens and we will see
more of G later, that's their

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name.
I do know.

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One thing I want to mention
before we move to nyada is that

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apparently, there was a cutscene
where Marley and kitty talk and

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Kitty.
Actually feels guilty for what

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happened with, like Marley.
See out his sectionals, which

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was 100% her fault that it
actually feels like a real

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beginning of a friendship, but
they cut out.

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I would have liked to have seen
that me too.

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I feel like kitty at this point
could use some Redemption

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because she's really just done
nothing but super shitty things.

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Yes, also something out.
This isn't even about this

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episode, but I just kept
watching this episode thinking

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about the last one and how like,
if If Kitty looked like Mercedes

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and did the things to Marley,
she's doing, you know, the fan

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reaction would be different, but
mmm, tiny blond-haired blue-eyed

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cheerleader.
Girl does it?

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And it's just like it's okay to
play that cruelty for Laughs,

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right?
No, I think you're 100% correct

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and everything else about her
character is so like perky

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perfect.
Like she's very religious and

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she's very Very like rigid.
She's very prude.

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Like she's just The Stereotype
of like the Virgin, I guess.

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Yeah.
Also she's driving another

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person to do these horrible
things and is very not

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remorseful about it at least
now.

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And yeah, like the show doesn't
really frame her as we're trying

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to think of something like,
Jessie st.

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James doing bad things but you
were also supposed to Jesse st.

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James, as the person doing bad
things, like kitty is like the

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bitchy girl, but you're also
supposed to genuinely buy into

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it when she gets into.
A relationship that I think is

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coming up this season.
Yeah, wait.

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Can I have him already?
She's with Puck for a little

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while in this season over hook?
Okay, on my hyper binge of

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season for our that happened.
Okay.

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So that didn't work.
She supposed to be like at most,

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I mean, I thought they were
supposed to be freshman, but I

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guess maybe solve for 15 16 15
and He's at least like 19 at

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that this point and he looks 45.
Yes.

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And you look 45 really fucked
up.

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I thought that toward the end
when there was a singing.

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We're not really there yet but
it's Cory and Melissa sitting

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beside each other.
And I was sitting there, like, I

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know Melissa's not actually a
sixteen-year-old right but He

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looks like her father.
No then when they put finding

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the sweater vest he comes an
adult.

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Like he does.
There is nothing teenager about

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that.
Man.

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That man in like has an account
that pays his taxes probably has

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lower back pain.
Like, And it's just not a

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teenager at this point and
they're still trying.

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No, not at all.
That's so funny.

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I do I do like that seen a lot
like just Marley and Finn.

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I think that's the general
closure.

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We get about.
Yeah, the sectionals thing is

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Marley saying like I was Naive
and insecure and self-centered.

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And I'm Glee clubs over which I
feel was not entirely necessary.

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I don't think Marlene needed to
take responsibility for them

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losing.
Yeah, competition are really

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needed to see Kitty take
responsibility for them losing

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the competition.
So I'm absolutely yeah but I do

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think it did give some sort of
closure in that it was like,

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okay it was said and now we can
move on from it.

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Maybe Nothing.
But I don't think it's a good,

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or healthy way to look at it.
But I do think that it was like

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so much of the first part of the
episode was people talking

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around Marley and Marley, not
really saying much.

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So yeah, it was nice to get the
scene of them together, it

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sounds not just nice to see
Marley, I don't know.

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I'm when I watched it the first
time around, I liked Kitty a lot

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and I didn't like Marley.
And this time I'm just fully

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reversed.
Yeah, I just want to protect

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that child from.
The mean girl, I know.

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And I think her that was really
the spirit of Glee that I think

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a lot of the other members lost
sight of her a little bit is

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just like we're supposed to just
be together like just making.

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And I miss that even now as an
adult like that is a kind of a

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magic of things.
Like choir, things like theater.

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You're just working together
with people who you may not have

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anything in common with that.
You can like create something

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really cool.
With all of you together so yeah

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and I feel like we have to talk
about Finn's conversation with

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Rachel to kind of Flesh that out
completely.

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They definitely had a moment
which Central didn't get very

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much at least in the first half
of the season, right.

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He was gone for so long and then
came back just for the breakup.

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And yeah you can tell that the
Glee writers were really trying

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to long game this.
Yeah.

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Mmm-hmm.
I think they were pretty

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determined to keep all three of
those couples broken up at least

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for this entire season.
I definitely felt like and then

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yeah, finchel even longer.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And at the beginning of the

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episode, Rachel doesn't want to
talk to fin like when Kurt comes

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in and he's like blame, just
talked to me, they lost like

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maybe you should call Fin
especially since Finn was like,

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in charge for sectionals, since
she would be gone and Rachel is

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straight up?
Like what did she say?

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She's like, I don't want to
remind him of an Bigger loss.

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Yeah, this loss and I was like,
okay yeah like I mean you're not

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all that but okay, but and then
Kurt also says, in that

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conversation, he's been reading
the nyada blogs which I love the

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idea of Kurt oblate, trolling
the nyada blogs, and that Carmen

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thibodeau's.
Winter showcase, invitations are

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about to go out to select nyada
students to perform at this

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special Showcase in the cool
like cave looking performance,

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space and Rachel's very
confident.

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She's going to get one even
though freshman really do and

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then she does.
Yeah, I was gonna say, what's

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the lesson?
We learn that.

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There's something Rachel Berry
wants show.

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Just give it to her.
Exactly.

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And then I'd forgotten, they
said in the beginning, that the

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Showcase is a competition.
So then it's like, yeah, you

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already Just by getting chosen.
So you've got to be hundreds of

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kids at this school at the very
least and they only choose a

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handful and then so just why
does it need to be a

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competition?
You could just have a concert

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show, doesn't make any sense and
then Kurt is also working on his

452
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,600
reapplication for nyada for the
spring semester.

453
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,600
What did you think about that?
I mean, I wanted him to say

454
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,100
Vogue, but I mean same, but I
think he says it's some point

455
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:27,200
that he can say at Vogue and
nada, which sounds like too much

456
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:32,200
to me, but I think the show was
like, we want her to do all the

457
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,700
things and be everything and be
by Rachel because they needed

458
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:39,000
some way.
Is how Rachel in the

459
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,900
conversation within where it's
supposed to be like, Rachel has

460
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:46,100
giving him like the advice and
reminding him.

461
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:50,100
What Glee really is just made me
realize how far away from the

462
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:54,300
McKinley storylines.
Rachel is yikes.

463
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:58,000
Yes.
Hmm, like it just didn't, I

464
00:27:58,008 --> 00:28:01,900
don't know the theme.
He had with Marley felt so much

465
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:07,800
more organically part of Glee
right Club wise, not show wise.

466
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,200
Right?
No, very true.

467
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:16,100
And I was not a huge fan of how
it was like, his talk with

468
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:20,500
Rachel that kind of led him to
try one more time to kind of

469
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:23,300
recall, the Glee Club.
I was like, really I mean, I

470
00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:26,300
guess that goes into, like, Like
you said setting up the long

471
00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:30,300
game of like, oh he's never he's
at his best when he's with

472
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:32,600
Rachel and I think they were
trying, they try to show the

473
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,100
opposite to like she's at her
best when you know she's got his

474
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:39,400
support, I mean not in this
episode because she and Brody a

475
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,600
little long break out before she
goes in sing really wins.

476
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,900
So yikes.
But yeah.

477
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,600
Okay.
So Rachel gets her invitation.

478
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,600
She got into the winter
showcase.

479
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,100
Not A lot of lead up to that
that was really Glebe just being

480
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:02,400
like of course, Rachel get that
she's yeah so special but I

481
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,700
thought was really funny is
okay, then she has dance class,

482
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:07,500
naturally.
Cassie July naturally who's

483
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:10,000
going to cut her down to size
about her getting this

484
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,300
invitation naturally and
Rachel's like I'm gotten better,

485
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:18,800
I promise you.
So Cassie challenges the her to

486
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,200
a dance off to All That Jazz.
Well a sing and dance off.

487
00:29:55,300 --> 00:30:02,100
which the song itself is a Eric
sexy fun.

488
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:04,500
What?
I don't understand is why the

489
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:07,500
show ever pretended for one
second that Rachel was going to

490
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:10,500
dance at the winter showcase.
Seriously.

491
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:18,200
Yeah, that is Like no fucking
way.

492
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:25,100
It would be more realistic for
Mike to show up and just dance

493
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:28,100
beside her.
I would have believed that more

494
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:33,900
readily.
Yes, I was like wait the whole

495
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,400
point of that face off was
Cassie proving the Rachel's not

496
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,600
a good enough dancer obviously
yeah she doesn't even dance.

497
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:48,700
In this dance class, that Rachel
doesn't actually dance in these

498
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:53,700
big like Showdown moments, you
have to do something, I do

499
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,900
appreciate that.
Slight like homoerotic tension

500
00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:02,200
between her and Cassie July but
beyond that it's just a Rachel

501
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,100
number.
Yeah I think that that number

502
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:09,100
launched a thousand fix to
because yes it was very sexy and

503
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:14,300
so it was in a rivalry you know
way it was like woo enemies two

504
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:17,400
lovers I could.
It again, creepy.

505
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,200
If you think about the ages,
they're supposed to be but at

506
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,000
least Rachel being 19 is on the
legal side of that.

507
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,400
So, exactly.
And at least she's in college,

508
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:36,100
she's not literally again skull.
And so Rachel, decides to sing

509
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:40,000
for the winter showcase?
Duh, that was a black boy, but,

510
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,300
you know, that's what we got out
of that and another Cassie do

511
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:47,200
line number.
Kurt, Meanwhile goes to Carmen

512
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,200
tibideaux is office which I
can't believe he did that.

513
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,800
That's so freaking ballsy.
Very ballsy, that's a Kurt

514
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,400
Hummel.
Would I mean a Burt Hummel would

515
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,400
have been proud of you moment.
That's true.

516
00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:01,100
I just thought I'd just like to
imagine Bert hype encouraged up

517
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:03,800
before that being like.
So, what if she says?

518
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,900
No?
Yeah, like son.

519
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:07,800
You gotta fight for what you
want.

520
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,100
You gotta go show her your
dedicated.

521
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:13,100
Yes, 100%.
Oh, that's what I needed in this

522
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:16,200
episode was a burden.
That one, Nice.

523
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:18,400
Even a phone call, come on Glee.
Yes.

524
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,100
And like the Blaine phone, call
happens like off-screen.

525
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:24,900
He could have just told me that
you talked to bird that would

526
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:28,100
have been fine.
But apparently, in his

527
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:32,300
reapplication, Kurt submitted, a
video of him singing an acoustic

528
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:37,200
version of Wake Me Up, Before
You Go-Go, which I've literally

529
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:43,300
cannot imagine that sounds like
I can't either and I don't think

530
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:45,700
I need to.
So I'm kind of glad that wasn't

531
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,700
Entei actual rendition.
I know I'm like if for any time

532
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:53,700
for them to mention a song and
not actually play it.

533
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:58,700
Thank God because also extra
knife in the wound that later

534
00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:02,600
like salmon Blaine seeing that.
But anyways, yeah, but though,

535
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,800
we don't hear it, Carmen tells
us, it's devoid of complexity

536
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,700
and depth and that you gave me
surface when I was looking for

537
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:13,600
sold.
So she's like you're still all

538
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,800
Flash and no substance.
So he gives her some subs.

539
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,700
Well, I guess first we should
explain how he gets to a.

540
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:24,900
No.
Yeah, she's like I give Second

541
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:27,700
Chances on my terms.
Good day mr.

542
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:32,000
Hummel Disney.
So dismissive and Curtis of

543
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,800
course, bummed because he's
like, what the fuck?

544
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,200
But comes to the winter
showcase, where like I said,

545
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,600
Rachel makes out with Brody and
then sings.

546
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,000
What are her two songs?
Rachel, does being good?

547
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,000
Isn't good enough, and then they
call for an encore, which I'd

548
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,000
forgotten like, they can just do
that.

549
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,600
Do you have any ideas?
It's the other holding night.

550
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,800
Yeah, episode was in December.
The next one is Christmas.

551
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,300
That makes sense, I guess, yeah,
I think I read that she's

552
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:11,400
saying, Oh, Holy Night on like
the first Glee Christmas album.

553
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,100
And it wasn't in the show and
then they recycled it.

554
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:16,000
Now, I don't know if that's
real, I didn't find that

555
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000
anywhere but that's what I had
heard.

556
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,800
I don't know.
That seems Glee.

557
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:23,100
Yeah, so like that's why it's
not in the Christmas episode

558
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:24,400
because they had already
released it.

559
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,199
So they put it in a different
episode.

560
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,300
Hmm.
I mean, I didn't love either of

561
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:32,800
our songs that much, but maybe
that also may just be because,

562
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,800
like, I knew what was coming.
Yeah, that was very excited for

563
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,100
it.
Well, I looked up the origins of

564
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:41,400
being good isn't good enough.
I've never heard the song.

565
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:44,800
Before out of the context of the
show, it's from a show called,

566
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,300
Hallelujah, baby and she sings
the Barbra Streisand version.

567
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:52,600
So I'm like Barbara song but I
look it up in the the show.

568
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,900
Hallelujah, baby is like, with
an all African-American cast

569
00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:00,600
telling a uniquely African
American story that I did not

570
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,200
write down.
And then Barbra Streisand

571
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,200
apparently sings the song and
I'll Rachel singing it.

572
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,400
And I was just like, okay, I
have a bummer moment.

573
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,100
I was like, There's a
little-known musical at least to

574
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,200
me because I don't know, I don't
know.

575
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,900
Shit about musicals outside of
my small town.

576
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:22,600
I grew up in.
I hadn't heard that song.

577
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,600
Yeah.
It's like the act one closer of

578
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,500
Hallelujah, baby.
So I thought that was

579
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,800
interesting.
I do think she does a good job.

580
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,800
She she's so emotive.
Sometimes when she's singing.

581
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,200
I think that was a really good
song to.

582
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:41,400
And she didn't overdo it which I
think showed some maturity like

583
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:43,800
You used to yeah.
She didn't like, have the tear

584
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,800
come down on some remembering
wrong single tear.

585
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:50,100
Yeah, we're her, like eyes are
just like bloodshot and he has

586
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:53,200
the single tear and she's making
the face the crying games.

587
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,500
Like I felt like it was
emotional but restrained which I

588
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:59,100
do think shows some growth in
Rachel's.

589
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:02,200
So I it was one of the more
enjoyable Rachel solos.

590
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,800
I still fast-forwarded but like
I listen to it, just on like 1.5

591
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,000
x be, yeah.
Okay.

592
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,100
That was like, just trying to
re-watch quickly.

593
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,400
I enjoyed the, I enjoyed it more
than other Rachel solos, that's

594
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,600
for sure.
I do think that was one of her

595
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:23,000
stronger ones, and then fucking
Carmen is just like, yeah, she's

596
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,400
like, all right, senior, she
loves her sing, The Encore, and

597
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,100
then she gets up, and she's
like, and now it's intermission.

598
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:31,200
And when we come back, Mister,
humbles got a thing for us.

599
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:35,600
Apropos of absolutely nothing.
I would have shit, my pants.

600
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:42,900
Absolutely shit, my pants.
She just sees him in the

601
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:47,100
audience and it's like, why
don't you get the fuck up here?

602
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,200
No rehearsal, no warning, hold
on, Buddy.

603
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,300
But Kurt is nothing.
If not a freakin professional.

604
00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:59,500
Yes.
And you pulled it together like.

605
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:05,600
Yeah, if her logic was the only
way I'm gonna get them from him,

606
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,300
is if I don't give him time for
prepare, I kind of get it but

607
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:12,500
also like Glee could have
pointed that out.

608
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,400
Maybe Carmen tibideaux doesn't
have to justify yourself, that's

609
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,000
right.
She's like I give Second Chances

610
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,000
on my terms.
Yeah, but I did appreciate the

611
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,000
call back to The end of season 3
and what happened like in chocen

612
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,800
after would he was like what
about my props?

613
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:34,200
My costumes, you know, and and I
appreciated that he chose the

614
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,000
song to like he kind of talked
through some different options

615
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,500
and lands on being alive and
Rachel's like yes that's the

616
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:45,900
one, I guess, you know, word to
the wise have like a song Here

617
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:48,700
is like having a karaoke.
Go to but live one in your back

618
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:50,400
pocket.
Ya never know.

619
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,700
You never know.
And Kurt scenes being alive,

620
00:37:54,700 --> 00:38:00,200
which is one of my favorite
solos from the show period.

621
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,100
But probably, my favorite Kurt
solo.

622
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:08,900
Yeah, I like, I like the
Bernadette Peters version a lot

623
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:11,300
before.
Just like, here's a throwback.

624
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,500
I had it on my iPod.
Oh my gosh.

625
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:21,700
In like 2007.
Well, I had a Broadway playlist.

626
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,800
Right of heaters doing being
alive, was one of my favorites.

627
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,000
So that extra layer of enjoyment
for Kurt doing it.

628
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,800
That's the fact that you not
only like it for itself, but you

629
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,800
like it as a reading of the
song, you really love is very

630
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,400
high.
Praise in the Glee world.

631
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,300
Yeah.
Wow.

632
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,200
And I love that he sings it in a
lower registry than they

633
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,300
probably would have liked him to
sing it in God.

634
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:50,600
I remember us all just lie on
the singer shit when the version

635
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,000
drop since we always got the The
songs before the episode

636
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,100
started.
Yeah, yes.

637
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:59,400
I know I would always try to so
hard to like avoid the spoilers.

638
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:05,000
Yeah, I think at the time I just
like inhaled them.

639
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,500
That's funny.
So I avoid spoilers now.

640
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,800
But back then I almost just it
was ugly.

641
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:13,400
I wanted to know what was going
to hurt me, right?

642
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,300
No, that makes sense.
It's like self-protection, but

643
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:19,500
on the other hand, like
sometimes it didn't even work

644
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:23,100
because there were some Kurt and
Blaine songs that Still had

645
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:26,700
absolutely no context for and
they weren't real quickly, what

646
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:28,700
we caught.
No, I was going to say, I got

647
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:32,400
burned by listening to a song
and then the context being so

648
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,500
fucking wild and so different
than what I had made up in my

649
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:40,900
head and then I was pissed
because I would get have these

650
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:43,300
really elaborate beautiful
meaning, and it was like a

651
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:46,500
throwaway, you remember, a
specific song for it.

652
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,000
Um, okay, so this wasn't me
making up.

653
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,400
It was fan of making up.
It was when When Rachel got to

654
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,900
sing, I won't give up because we
heard that someone was going to

655
00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:58,100
sing.
I won't give up.

656
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:01,400
And then we found out.
It was Rachel, and we're like,

657
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,000
fuck really wanted it to be like
a curtain Blaine song because

658
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,100
that was like, end of season
three.

659
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:08,200
When Kurt was gonna go to
college and stuff and we're like

660
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:10,200
that would have been proven them
to sing now.

661
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,600
Yeah.
Well, I guess Rachel things.

662
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:12,600
It Defender.
Whatever.

663
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,300
She sings it to herself.
Yeah.

664
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:18,500
Halls of McKinley.
She's singing to his know that

665
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:21,000
she won't give up on herself.
And then I was just like I'm

666
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,800
pissed.
Yeah.

667
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:25,600
We made such a big deal over
that song and who is going to be

668
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,700
kissing it.
I remember that that for me it's

669
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:36,300
Kurt and Blaine doing the story
of my life because we had a lot

670
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:40,400
of theories about what that was
going to be and then it was just

671
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,800
it was it had zero.
Meaning, what are them?

672
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,200
The meaning?
I don't remember that.

673
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:52,000
Oh God, I don't About to find
out, is it?

674
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:58,200
What were they singing it for
the for June?

675
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,000
I think they were where Shirley
MacLaine.

676
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,500
I think her name was June.
Oh, Mmm.

677
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,700
Yeah, I think it was literally
just for performance for her,

678
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,000
right?
Didn't have any emotional

679
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,800
significance to anyone.
It was just the song they picked

680
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,600
out and they were singing to her
season 5 is bananas.

681
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:19,300
Yes.
Yes it is.

682
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:21,300
Yeah, I'm looking at the stills
of the performance.

683
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,700
That's right.
Yeah.

684
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,900
That's that's the mood.
And that's so disappointing.

685
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,100
Yeah.
So we get, we get Kurt doing his

686
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,700
being alive and it's amazing.
We can Triumph so good.

687
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:43,600
Yes.
And then all that's really left

688
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,700
in their storyline for the
episode is the en scene where

689
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:51,700
Kurt gets his letter, I think
Yes, he's like I got in his

690
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:52,500
little boys.
Ready.

691
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,300
Yes.
So that made me smile.

692
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,300
Kurt wedding is always so sweet
because he loses so often and

693
00:42:02,308 --> 00:42:05,600
I'm like, 81.
Yes, I deserve it.

694
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:10,600
Yes, I think the show should a
pool like a camp rock where the

695
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,100
protagonist doesn't actually win
the competition.

696
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,400
Like Kurt should have won the
winter showcase.

697
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,800
I think that would have been
that would have been good.

698
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:23,400
Now I wish that had happened.
I know he's like not even any

699
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,400
other student who walks in off
the fucking Street and win and I

700
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,800
think that would have been way
better ending.

701
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,200
But whatever it would have been
for recommending to that ballet

702
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,900
chick.
I think that would have been way

703
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:38,500
better, of course.
Yeah.

704
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:42,500
And then we have the the final
number of the episode which is

705
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,800
Marley is found somewhere for
the Glee Club to practice and

706
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,500
it's outside.
The Quarry.

707
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:51,300
Right?
I guess.

708
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:53,100
That's right.
Yeah right.

709
00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:55,200
I don't know why they made it
like it was a big mystery.

710
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,500
Yeah but I did like y'all didn't
like right sub Breakfast Club

711
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:03,800
style letter and they play.
Don't You Forget About Me and he

712
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,000
writes a letter to the Glee
Club, like telling them to come

713
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,300
practice.
I really liked that that scene.

714
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,300
What are they saying?
Don't Dream.

715
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:14,900
It's Over.
Yeah, Don't Dream.

716
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:17,700
It's Over.
Perfect song choice for that

717
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:20,200
moment and they all commit.
I would Goose, Bumps talking

718
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,400
about it while I'm so lame but
that they're all come in slowly

719
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,000
and sing their little lines and
they all sing together.

720
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,600
And it's like, okay, Glee's
going to be okay.

721
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,400
It's not over but I'm a sucker
for a group number, you know me?

722
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,200
Yeah.
And this is also, as we got

723
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,000
close to the end, I was like,
Wow, has blamed not song and

724
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,900
then he proceeded to sing most
of this.

725
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:46,000
As like there would be like the
camera was on Bully other people

726
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:52,400
and be like that's Blaine vo:.
That's Him or me.

727
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,500
You're showing the other faces
but this is a Blaine song.

728
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,900
That's right.
They're just singing the

729
00:43:57,908 --> 00:43:59,200
background.
It was a nod.

730
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:05,300
Yes, it But yeah, a great I
think it gave them like I said,

731
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,600
the whole beginning and middle
of the episode.

732
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,000
I feel like did not was not
worthy of the Cliffhanger, you

733
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,600
know, the end of the episode was
either.

734
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,200
But I at least felt some sort of
like resolution and hope it was

735
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,300
wholesome.
Yeah, I liked that it was just a

736
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:25,100
nice wholesome group number.
It was okay, that was clearly

737
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:29,300
likes it too agreement.
Okay, well, I think that's

738
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:33,100
pretty much it and swans on.
Yeah, that's Really all that

739
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:35,800
happened in the episode.
I mean, and I mean, I guess we

740
00:44:35,808 --> 00:44:39,100
did just talk for 45 minutes
about it, but I'm gonna talk to

741
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:41,000
some time.
Yeah.

742
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,400
In terms of dramatic Glee
episodes like yeah, not a lot

743
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,500
happened like Glee Club.
Can't find a place to perform

744
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:50,300
Gleek of finds a place to
perform, right?

745
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:54,200
That's it.
All right and also, you know?

746
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:58,400
Yeah, salmon.
Bernie it together, random but

747
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,400
yeah, overall not Not the most
standout episode.

748
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,000
And yet, some important things
happened, I don't know.

749
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,200
Little bit of a filler.
We're kind of Bridging the Gap,

750
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,900
so we go from okay, Glee clubs
over now.

751
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:15,000
Maybe it's not over.
We go from, you know, Kurt is

752
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,000
trying to get into.
Nyada doesn't know what's next

753
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,900
and, you know, Kurt's into nyada
Rachel's feeling good about her

754
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:23,600
future and nyada, we're looking
forward to Bright Bright,

755
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,000
Futures at the end of this
episode.

756
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,600
So, yeah, I mean Rachel's entire
plot is no one has given me an

757
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,800
award.
Oh, someone gave me an award.

758
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,800
So Orcs you're not wrong.
That's why I'm like this is the

759
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,700
opposite of a swan song I guess.
Yeah.

760
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:40,500
Like a red herring title.
It's like, will it be?

761
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:42,200
No of course I cannot
everything's fine.

762
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,400
Yeah.
Or at least things are getting

763
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,400
better.
That's good.

764
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,400
And we ended after four seasons
and Nine episodes.

765
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:53,000
Yes.
Exactly.

766
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:57,000
They were never going to do that
but it was happily ever after.

767
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,000
Well basically.
Um, okay, what was your favorite

768
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,100
song?
Song being alive.

769
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:12,400
Somebody hold me too close.
Somebody hurt me too deep.

770
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:20,000
Somebody sit in my chair and
ruined my sleep and make me

771
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:26,400
aware of being alive.
Make me

772
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,600
Hmm, sure.
Like hands down I did like the

773
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,800
room number but being alive has
a place in my heart.

774
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,800
I totally agree.
I mean, y'all know my little

775
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,300
Curt Stan heart couldn't not
like it's so good.

776
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:03,300
Just to Triumph or Kurt for
Chris so good.

777
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:04,900
Yes honorable mention Dad Don't
Dream.

778
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:06,300
It's Over.
I'm right there with you.

779
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:09,800
Being alive is just such a
standout.

780
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:12,900
Did you have a favorite line?
Yes.

781
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:18,100
Brad's line about Blaine with
his juice box.

782
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,000
Kind of like that's, that's an
honorable mention.

783
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,800
But Brad, Brad gets it.
Okay, he deserves it.

784
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,800
Let Brad speak.
But Brad speak or just let him

785
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,200
lie.
You find it would be free.

786
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,700
That's his consent.
I did not hire.

787
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:38,900
Lytic, I've highlighted some
quotes but not as like a

788
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:42,000
favorite one, but you can go
ahead and do a least favorite

789
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,500
and just give it to you, the
lesbian bloggers.

790
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:47,800
Yeah.
Fine Art thought it was kind of

791
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,000
funny that Sue called Blaine a
handsome non-flammable gay.

792
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,700
Yeah.
Because I feel like that's been

793
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:58,100
Darren Criss his whole career.
Yeah.

794
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:06,500
Yeah no shade but shade yeah.
I didn't laugh out loud at

795
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:08,700
anything.
This experiment, really?

796
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,400
I mean, it wasn't for Brad, that
was the best part and he

797
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,400
deserves that moment.
You're the unsung hero Brad by

798
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,500
far.
What was something that you

799
00:48:22,508 --> 00:48:25,100
liked that thing?
I like thinking, like car got

800
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:31,400
into nyada Pokey.
It just looked really good in

801
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,500
the first scene of the episode.
Yes.

802
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:39,900
Also true.
So that thing I liked was the

803
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:41,800
Glee Club coming back together
at the end.

804
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,100
I think it was.
Yeah, I think there was a

805
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:48,100
definitely, a moment in the
middle there where it was very

806
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:50,100
much, like, glazed over and
we're fine.

807
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,900
So, I think it was nice to see
the characters, see that like

808
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:57,300
okay, the grass isn't that green
on the other side?

809
00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:59,800
Like, you know, there is
something special about these

810
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,300
people in this place and we want
to go back to it.

811
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:05,900
So like that.
I think that was a good message.

812
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:12,100
So what do we have next hour?
Kevin Kevin McHale Bill.

813
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:15,700
I mean, did he?
He's smart.

814
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:20,500
Yeah, I guess he has some a
couple of lines and then he does

815
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,200
sing in the group number but
it's still pretty low.

816
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,600
I think it's our .5, Kevin's
probably.

817
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,200
Yeah.
Yeah.

818
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,000
Sadly probably the most often
rating.

819
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,700
We have to give that, you know,
which just proves the point that

820
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:38,100
Kevin deserve better.
He did deserve. and that's why

821
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:40,700
we're here to make sure, people
know that he deserved better,

822
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:47,500
and I think it'll get better
like, Early season 5 when he

823
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:49,600
moves.
Yeah yeah I think there's it

824
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,800
gets better later but right now.
Yeah he has some romics lump

825
00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:00,800
right now.
Oh and the pain Dex Dex.

826
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,600
Yep.
They had a phone call.

827
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,500
Like this is not a very painful
episode, not every painful, no,

828
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:08,200
we're good.
Through two out of ten.

829
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:11,900
Yeah.
Yeah it was some hopefully get

830
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:17,600
the phone call like yeah.
Yeah, angst This is like the

831
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,000
sweet spot between like, oh,
they're talking again and

832
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,000
before, Oh, Kurt likes someone
else.

833
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,200
I forgot that was coming.
Yes.

834
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,500
Unfortunately next episode will
be a very happy moment and then

835
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:37,400
we'll write back to the pain.
Yeah, okay, yeah.

836
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,400
So that is pretty much it for
season 4 episode 9.

837
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,700
Xuanzong somehow both a filler
and an in episode at the same

838
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:51,400
time but mostly filler but
everyone must watch for the Curt

839
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,300
solo.
That's we decree that.

840
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:56,800
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841
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