July 13, 2021
Freaky Glee-day
This is S3E20, "Props." As Nationals approaches, Tina is rightly feeling pushed aside and overlooked, despite being one of the original New Directions. Rachel invites Carmen Tibideaux to Nationals to watch her perform in hopes of making up for her failed audition. Meanwhile, Unique has become a sensation for Vocal Adrenaline.
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I got really deep on a podcast
about Glee.
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I did not expect this Glee Glee
is the one that started talking
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about things like domestic
violence and school shootings,
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and things like that.
So at least a grassy, never,
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pretended to be a musical
comedy.
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You're listening to On the
rocks.
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Hi everyone, welcome to another
episode of Glee on the Rocks.
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I am be I'm Mandy and today, we
have a super special guest from
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The Wonderful zany and clever
podcast.
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Let's remake a movie.
Our Guest Sean.
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Welcome Sean.
Thanks so much for having me
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here today.
Yeah, so tell us a little bit
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about the podcast, which
everybody know, so what everyone
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should know about.
Let's remake a movie is, we
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basically take every bar
discussion or You know what, if
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session that you've had with
your friends over the years for
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the you say, you know what, if
we took these two movies and
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mash them together, or you know,
who would win in a fight between
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Superman and Goku or something
like that, what we do is we
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basically take the premise of a
movie and we say what if we
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change it up a little bit.
So we've done everything.
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From what if Indiana Jones had
to fight Joe Exotic the Tiger
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King three wha-what if the
Griswold Family took their
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Christmas vacation at the
Overlook Hotel to The Shining.
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So, Basically, we take, you
know, two relatively classic
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movies and just make them as
ridiculous as we can.
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Yeah, I had so much fun
listening to y'all's episode of
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Pineapple Express and Inception
in section.
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I had such a great time
listening to that one.
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I can really see it, it would
really work, it's one of those
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we find that.
Typically, if you get a movie
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that's ridiculous.
It doesn't matter if it's
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serious ridiculous like
Inception or, you know, just
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funny ridiculous like Pineapple
Express as long as there's.
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I'm sort of common denominator
between the two in terms of how
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over the top they can be, then
you're always going to have a
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good time with it.
So there's a science to re
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making a movie a little bit, you
know, he's got to find something
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that the two of them have in
common, whether it's, you know,
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a style or a setting like a
Christmas vacation and a winter
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setting in The Shining, you
know, as long as there's a
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little bit of overlap, we can
sort of massage the two of them
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together.
That makes sense.
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The Shining one is a one that I
listen to most recently and I
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love the characterization Chevy
Chase like versus Giants.
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That was we had gone back and
forth on that.
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And part of, that was because
one of our co-host, my friend,
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Laura very much hate Stanley
Kubrick, which is very much on
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display that episode.
So, you know, just sort of the
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sheer, you know, energy from
that, you know, sort of nerd
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rage that Got into definitely
help to you know sort of as well
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push forward that you know,
manic energy, that's always in
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either chevie Chase or Jack
Nicholson and either of those
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movies.
So we got lucky with that one
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that we also happen to press the
nerve with her, I suppose.
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Awesome.
Well, of course, coming on, Glee
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on the rocks.
Glee.
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We got it.
We got to talk about it so we we
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talk about our fandom pass from
Ferg, leave quite a bit.
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So let's tell the people where
you're coming from.
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Are you a Gleek?
I am a Gleek or it'll probably
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more accurately was a Gleek
coming weeks?
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Yeah.
Formerly guess it worked.
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Frankly, it came out when I was
about 16 years old, you know,
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definitely a, you know, nerdy
theater kid.
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You know, always a little bit of
an outcast.
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So I was basically the people
they were depicting on the show
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so I remember watching.
For the first time be like oh my
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God, I see myself, you know,
obviously just without all the
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cheesy dance numbers and
occasionally problematic
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experiences.
But nevertheless it was a show
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that was near and dear to my
heart when it first came out
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since, you know, which I
followed along pretty
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religiously and through college,
I forget exactly where I fell
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off but you know since then
thanks to things like Netflix,
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I've definitely and things like
a quarantine.
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I definitely been able to play
catch-up as it were and so I
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remembered how much I enjoy Get
it on.
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Ironically, yeah, I think a lot
of people played catch up with
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Glee over the quarantine.
Yeah, that was one of those
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shows.
I saw like quite a few people
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breaking out to like Marathon
through.
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Absolutely.
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And it's sort of like, you know,
I had to look back knowing on,
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you know, all the drama that
surrounded, the cast in the year
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since then, to see how it holds
up.
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And it's like, you know, you
were so young and innocent
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before everything went wrong,
you know what I mean?
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So, it was kind of Bittersweet
in that way, but I still love
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the show.
So you have seen season 6.
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It's been a little while but I
have seen our our tagline and
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this this started especially for
me and Emily since I became on
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the podcast a little bit later,
but it's we haven't seen season
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six either.
All right, eventually in the run
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of the podcast.
And at that point, Emily and I,
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at least will be reacting to
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We haven't seen you, can you can
take your time with that one to
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rush.
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Right, we're not in a hurry.
No, where's the now?
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There's a I mean we all know
what to expect when it comes to
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Glee but you know, I will say
it's a pretty it's a pretty good
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ending for what the show was.
I will say that much.
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Hmm.
Yeah, I've only seen it once and
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like a binge watch kind of way.
So it'll be fun to critically
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pick it apart because it was, it
was all so many years later and
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Fortune.
Netflix just re watching the
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whole thing.
So it Yeah, there we go.
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Well to bring you back for
season 6 because I think that
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would be truly a great time to
just be glad to yeah that'd be
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great for sure.
No it's almost like it was the
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same way.
How looking back on this episode
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I was kind of like who some of
this was a little troubling at
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the time or at least would be to
Modern sensibilities but you
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know but it still reminded me
how much I love the music that
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they put together and the
arrangements.
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I always thought was fantastic
regardless of what else was
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going on.
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Yeah, that's how that's how ugly
like ketchup old in ml for sure.
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For sure.
That was a I remember probably
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my first really hard core memory
associated with Glee is, as you
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know, I'm from upstate New York.
So as my mother and I were
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driving all over, you know, the
vast expanses of forests and
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Wasteland and stuff like that.
In my college search, we had the
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season one Glee CD densities
were thing and we it was one
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piece of music that we could
agree on.
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So it was a CD that we
basically, you know, wore out
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the 12 songs or however many
were on it, you know, over the
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course of hours, upon hours of,
you know, very boring road trips
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was saying along to that that
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So I'll always have fond
memories of that, you know, at
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least the early seasons and then
moving on into the you know,
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little bit wacky or Seasons, you
know, but they still bring that
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good feeling.
Yeah wacky definitely describes
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the place we're at with lives as
a No that that we're talking
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about today.
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Yes yeah, let's get into it.
So we always start with given
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the listeners, a little
description of the episode
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because let's be real, we didn't
all go back and watch these.
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But today we're talking about
season 3 episode 20 props.
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So it aired on May 15th. 2012,
it's directed by and written by
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Ian Brennan.
One of the original show Runners
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are a b and this is a
description from Google which is
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not entirely accurate as usual
with the Nationals looming.
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The kids prepare a high-concept
routine when Tina bumps her head
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in rehearsals her new
directions.
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World is turned upside down
apropos of nothing.
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But yeah, that's so Props and
that's about a third of what
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happens in the show.
I think they're consistently
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terrible with leaving out most
of the the actual, A and B plot.
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Every single time were like,
that's and Tina doesn't even
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bump her head in rehearsals.
That's not even correct.
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So, you know, no, one ever
person that wrote, those didn't
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watch believe or didn't watch
Glee.
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Nope.
Nope.
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They watch the trailer the next
time on Glee.
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That's right.
That is like, you can't make me
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watch it.
You can't make me watch it.
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Yep.
So, what were our overall
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Impressions initial thoughts?
Like, I'll be honest.
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It was not as funny as I
remembered.
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I think some of that comes down
to My perception of some of the
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actors now.
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It's like, there's always that
thing when watching this show,
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particularly the show is had so
many tragedies and then like, I
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don't know, not quite tragedies,
but things better, left unlocked
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about.
That seems just hit a little
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different now, but some of the
actors were really funny.
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It doing there like impressions
of each other so yes, yeah, it
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had moments.
I will say I did like the
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conceit of the whole body swap
kind of situation, because I
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think it gave them a good
opportunity to basically make
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fun of themselves in a way, you
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And it's just even the little
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Like, you know, when they cut to
the body, swapped kids after
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Tina does her big number and Joe
as Mike Chang, just does this
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little pop and lock because
that's all he does.
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And in the same way that I think
you touched on this, you know,
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in talking about Blaine's hair
gel and basically how you know,
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it's a joke that, you know,
everybody hates planes hair but
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you know, I think to some extent
because Ryan Murphy is obviously
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aware of criticism against you
shows.
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I think having him as Puck and
just having him have the Mohawk,
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you know, as the most shocking,
you know hair transformation.
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Possible is sort of like saying
yes.
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We get it.
So here you go deal with this
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now, it's really Ryan Murphy is
very good at trying to give
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people not what they want but
step were so they stop
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complaining.
Okay?
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And I agree as well.
That sort of looking back on
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knowing what happened to the
actors afterwards and just you
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know, knowing about the
backstage drama with Lea Michele
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and knowing about all the things
that happened with Puck.
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After the show ended, it does
make it, it sort of makes those
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more poignant.
That's where it's sort of.
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Like I'm not sure I want to
sympathize with you all that
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well, but you're doing a very
good job in this moment.
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Yeah, that's a really good way
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of putting it.
It's like you can't you can't
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unknow what you know that
happened after the show, but
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Anyway, yeah, yeah.
That's especially if the whole
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thing is also about, you know,
to some extent, a critique of
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Rachel, being a diva and hogging
the air time.
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Then it's sort of like, in many
ways I think, at least, I
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remember when I first watched
this episode is Tina was saying
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a lot of what I was thinking at
the time.
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Mmm.
And just, you know, I remember
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thinking, yes, that's awesome.
You know, finally somebody is
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sticking up for her.
You know, saying all the things
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that, you know, I've been
thinking that it's sort of,
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like, she can really treat these
people better, but, you know,
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which did make it a little bit
disappointing when she sort of,
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you know, backed off it
afterwards.
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But I see what they were doing
there.
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And I'd forgotten that, like,
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I'd forgotten kind of how it
ended.
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I remember the plot of the
episode but not that Tina ends
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up kind of just like
backtracking totally.
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I know I was, I was a little.
I was disappointed in her.
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Yeah, you were on the right
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Yeah, that's exactly it.
It's sort of like nothing she
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said was wrong and also just
again this is trying to divorce
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the personal drama knowing how
apparently Lea Michele treated.
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Some of her co-stars on the
show.
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I'm sure some of that resonated
very closely but you know, but
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at the same time it was
certainly a very satisfying
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moment for a character who was
underused at that point.
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I think who had a great voice
but, you know, definitely could
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have been hurt more.
So do you think that?
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Because as we're fond of saying
Polly is not a documentary, I
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think there was any sort of like
low-key insinuations in the
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writing that that was sort of
like reflecting how Lea Michele
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actually was in real life.
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Oh gosh.
Well like you said it's not a
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documentary but you know I think
anybody who's ever done a glee
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club High School theater.
Anything like that has known a
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Rachel Berry at some point in
their lives and sometimes we've
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been that, right?
You'll bury.
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But that's how I would say that.
I would be hard-pressed to say
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that the writer themselves are
sort of putting in digs for the
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actors on purpose.
I think it's more in this case,
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life imitating art, where you
have a diva playing kind of a
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diva character.
You know, I just trying to think
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of how how that first script
read would have gone if Lea
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Michele but it was personal, you
know what I mean?
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Well, Rachel ends up looking
pretty good in the end, so maybe
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she would take it all's.
Well, that ends?
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Well, just like that.
It's friend be like, all right.
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Yeah, I know this can stay
because we do open the entire
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episode so that that's what you
missed on Glee is actually all
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about Tina.
Actually, she kind of got
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ignored last year to actually
Tina sort of, been ignored the
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whole time and she's been in the
New Direction since like
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forever.
The first time she got a solo.
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She insisted she was bad and for
us mr.
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Shue to give the song to Rachel
and every solo since she's
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either gotten booed or started
crying uncontrollably.
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No one noticed that she went
from dressing Punk to dressing
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God to dressing like a go-go
dancer and 60s swinging London.
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She even got my chain to college
and she hardly got a thank-you
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sometimes people don't even seem
to know her name, girl, train,
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Tina, blow, and Wang, Asian
horror movie.
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And that's what you missed on
Glee, which is interesting.
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They've never, I don't remember
a time that they use that as
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like a comedic plot device
almost once in a while, you
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know, but really funny to hear
like the little voiceover and
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all the clips of Glee being very
Alpha where that Tina is a
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background character and Tina
even says in the episode.
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She's like, I've been here since
the first day I was doing, Sit
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Down, You're Rockin the boat and
typical Glee fashion that by the
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end of the episode, it's like,
okay.
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And now we'll never talk about
that again.
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Go back to the way it was and
it's fine.
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But Tina does cause a pretty big
stink in the Glee Club saying,
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you know, Rachel gets all the
solos and I don't get any
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respect, basically, even though
I've been here the whole time,
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Time and Mike is mad at her
about that.
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I had a lot of just not great
feelings about the way, the
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whole plot went down because I
feel like Tina had a point.
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Like, right, Rachel's not even
auditioning for solo, she just
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getting them.
That's not how Glee Club should
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work in my opinion.
But He's going to be really just
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that special.
I agree.
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I thought the whole scene with
with Mike the confrontation in
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the hallway afterwards.
I was having a hard time seeing
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where he was coming from.
Yeah in so far as you know him
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saying you know more or less
wait your turn which you know
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obviously if there's been some
indication that your turn is
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coming, that's one thing, but
I've never, I never saw that
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with Tina in particular, just
seems like In a way, she was
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absolutely right in terms of she
was feeling like she was being
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used as a prop and to some
extent, you know, Mike as the
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lead dancer.
I think he would have been
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perfectly within his right to
say, so do I but but yeah, I had
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a really had a hard time seeing
his point of view.
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There, it does seem that at
least, as far as you know,
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Matthew Morrison, mr.
Shue goes.
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That Rachel is that special?
But yeah, as far as in the grand
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scheme of things, it does seem a
little bit.
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Well, you know, Not a little
bit, it does seem unfair.
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I think she's, you know, got
some perfectly valid grievances
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to voice their and it was
interesting to me that Rachel's
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response to her was like to have
any idea how difficult it is to
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be me.
It's exhausting being me.
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Yeah, yeah.
Oh my God, you all this stuff.
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And I have to be always ready
for a solo or whatever it is
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just like so far removed from
reality that it's just like just
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even more laughable than it
could be because it's like what
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high schooler in what world like
even I don't know that she
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offers her 50 bucks to back off
like you I don't know if I can
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curse on this podcast but no
you're like okay bitch trust the
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word I was going for you.
Well I guess it least she didn't
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send her to a crack house like
she did, oh my God, I forgot
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about this is true.
On the scale of bribe to crack
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house.
It's very low on the Yeah until
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she considers Tina of Friends by
treating her less crappily than
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she does some other friends.
Yeah, yeah, she doesn't make her
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transfer schools.
I guess that's the thing.
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No.
Oh God.
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I forgot about that too.
Jesus.
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Okay.
So Tina being really upset.
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Still about Rachel does not take
Rachel's 50 bucks.
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Yeah.
I'm still upset with Rachel
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texting Mike in fighting with
him about Rachel, which was also
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nonsensical.
Honestly, I can't think of any
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Rachel Berry type that I
encountered in high school that
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anybody would want to defend
even, you know, it was like,
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okay, she's talented and we hate
her, we all know this, like, but
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I digress.
I'm trying to get us in the body
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swap things.
So Tina's at the mall, she's
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picking up fabric.
Apparently in the Glee Club,
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they make the younger members so
their costumes, that's not a
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thing.
No, no groaning, that's not a
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thing.
They don't just become skilled
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seamstress has, because they're
being hazed.
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Either theatrical costume
design.
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I needed to spend a long time
working on that.
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I wouldn't give it to a 13 year
old kid to work on.
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Yes, it.
Thank you, thank you.
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It's not like you can just add.
Those dresses were complicated
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to than multiple fabrics and
parts and ruching and no way I
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credit to that.
They did look like they were
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doing a very good job at that,
right?
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But Tina distracted by her rage
at Rachel falls in the fountain
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at the mall and hits her head.
And so she runs into Kurt and
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Blaine before that and when she
comes out of the fountain
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suddenly curtain blader not Kurt
and Blaine.
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I did love this first moment.
It's okay this this episode has
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a treasure of klain moments
which I don't know if you know
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we're big claim fans over here I
still do.
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So I was delighted and joy.
I myself.
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But um yeah so instead of Darren
Criss playing Blaine now it's
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Mark salling play million
instead of Chris Colfer playing
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Kurt.
Now it's Cory Monteith playing
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Kurt which was a hilarious swab.
I got to say that was inspired,
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I think so.
I guess my question is, who was
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your favorite Swap and why?
Oh, gosh.
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I gotta say that the klaine
swap.
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Honestly, just as Who, you know,
in high school you know, was
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sort of like oh, you know
fucking fin will be an
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interesting couple.
It did.
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Let me have that intensity for a
moment so I'm like yeah that's
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actually kind of nice.
I like them and honor.
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Yeah why not?
You know I can remember being on
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Tumblr I'm sure that if I were
on it at the time they would
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have been all over this episode
but we were but I would say that
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for me it's the little moments
like the I would say probably
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Mike Shang and Zhou swapping
because like I said, I think
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when we were just getting
started but just a little pop
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and lock that he throws in
because you know, he's got to
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show that he's like Chang
somehow and that's how he's
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gonna do it.
And also just probably Mercedes
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nrt as just because it's sort of
like this is the weirdest couple
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ever but I am about it.
I didn't remember I was I
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started watching the episode of
my wife came in to watch it with
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me and she was like wait who
plays Santana And I didn't
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remember.
And then the same came on Words
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already and now it's like, I'm,
it's funky artists.
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And then we watch the whole
episode together because we were
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dying laughing.
Yes.
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Typically at at Kevin McHale and
his Santana Depression was so
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good.
That, that was my favorite swap
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especially like they did some
little behind the scenes things
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where they were just like
talking to the actors as they
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were like swapped.
Yeah, it's watching.
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Nia and Kevin.
As like Nia did a whole like
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tour of all of her, like, Artie
accessories.
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She was wearing.
My pants are so high and the
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orthopedic shoes going, they're
comfy.
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I got my glasses, my suit bag,
my grip and Kevin was just like,
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I got this ponytail.
Kevin has a ponytail that's
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basically, the only resemblance
between Santana and myself.
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I love the ponytail just like
I'm like piece of the weirdest
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thing to see ever and I love
everything about it.
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What am I favorites?
W?
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Which was all background work.
They didn't have any plot at all
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in the body.
Spock scene was Quinn and sugar
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Dianna, Agron was working it.
It's just she was same thing.
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Vanessa Lindsay's was so good as
quit.
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I thought they just gave it.
Everyone just gave it a hundred
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and fifty percent whether they
were in the back.
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Background or the foreground and
it was just incredible like they
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were having fun.
Yeah.
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In like the behind-the-scenes
stuff, Diana's also like she's
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fully in character.
I can't even tell if she's in
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character as sugar or Vanessa,
but, but she is just, like,
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walking around like Kevin and
Nia, and having fun with it.
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I will also say that as a
teenager, I had a huge celebrity
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crush on Vanessa lng's for a
while.
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Yeah, and then subsequently,
when Glee came on, I had a huge
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celebrity crush on Dianna,
Agron.
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So, it did allow me for a
moment, feel like, yes, yes,
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Dianna Agron, Fist.
Like, she's pretty and I want to
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marry her.
But it's like, do I want to
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marry her?
Do I want to be her?
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I don't know.
Yeah, yeah.
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Dianna Agron was many a Tumblr
users gay.
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Awakening.
I remember this very distinctly.
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Yes, it wasn't quite my
Awakening, but I love being a
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different way.
I guess lasting Obsession.
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That's for sure.
Exactly.
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Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
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I also.
While we're specifically talking
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about the swaps the fact, but
Puck and fin as carton Blaine
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were cuddlier than actually.
Yes.
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And no more chemistry at some
point, I know I'll absolutely
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nothing ever being pissed.
It's fine.
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I've gone over it.
I did also love Matthew Morrison
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in the track suit.
Oh my God.
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This soon, she was probably,
yes.
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Okay, that would really is the
best I think, because they went
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so hard.
And they didn't have to, but
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they did for us and it's also
the moment, you realize.
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Wow, they actually have
basically the same haircut
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because they have done something
here.
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Barry so interchangeable when
Matthew Morrison as sued, like,
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put his fingers in his ears.
Yeah, every moment, everybody
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was working it so hard and I
appreciated them.
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It was such a great, like,
truly, like cast episode.
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I think it, it just reminded me
how much I loved the cast
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members and how that kept me,
watching Glee way after I
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probably should have wonderful,
okay.
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So because Tina in the, in the
body.
443
00:24:54,300 --> 00:25:00,600
Swap is Rachel, she gets to have
a solo and yeah, I was going to
444
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,500
say and she kills it and she
kills it with a little
445
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:07,300
encouragement from Chris Colfer
as Finn.
446
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:12,100
Yes, he's like, afterwards,
we're going to make out because
447
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:16,800
your boobs look slightly bigger.
Today for some reason could be
448
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:22,900
my favorite line in the show.
Thank you for that.
449
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,100
Yeah, kills it.
What is she saying?
450
00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:33,400
Celine Dion.
Yeah because he loved me because
451
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,600
you loved me.
Such a great song and I do love
452
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:43,100
the fact that the joke about her
never getting a solo gets to
453
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:46,100
continue on because technically
it wasn't her.
454
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:51,300
Yeah but it's also show I think
that basically she has a Is that
455
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:55,700
is on the same level as Rachel
just because she murders that
456
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:57,300
number the same way that Rachel
would have.
457
00:25:57,300 --> 00:26:00,100
So it's sort of like okay yeah,
so there's, you know, just adds
458
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:03,000
more Credence to everything she
said, she's like yeah you know,
459
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,100
I am that good.
It's like yeah, our dresses for
460
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:09,900
Tina always I was so intrigued
by there was like multiple times
461
00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:12,300
in this episode, they were like
you're going to your time is
462
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:14,300
coming and your going to get
solos and you're going to be the
463
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:17,300
lead female vocalist and I'm
like hold up because I really
464
00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:20,300
like it doesn't.
Yeah.
465
00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:25,400
Extra sad which yeah High School
drama club promises are made to
466
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,100
be broken, you know, Justice for
Jenna.
467
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:32,100
That's what I really feel.
Like she should have been on
468
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:34,900
Broadway and doing something way
better with her time.
469
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:37,000
But I mean, we're lucky, I
guess.
470
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:43,700
But so the way that Tina
switches back, as she has a
471
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:49,800
heartfelt conversation with Lea
Michele as Tina in the hallway I
472
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,800
guess to tell herself that she
appreciates herself.
473
00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:00,500
Yeah, but yet somehow it turns
out to be about Rachel because
474
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:05,100
they start talking about Carmen
tibideaux and her bid to get
475
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:07,400
into nyada.
So, I don't know.
476
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,900
I just felt like that.
I have notes.
477
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:11,400
There didn't didn't make a whole
thing.
478
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,700
Yeah.
Me, it's sort of, like, even
479
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,300
even her personal experience and
somehow about Rachel, it's sort
480
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:21,800
of like that.
Sure, that's what we want with
481
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,400
the message here, but, uh, okay,
I'll follow you.
482
00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:27,300
Isn't that Glee in a nutshell,
somehow, it's still about
483
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:28,400
Rachel.
Yep.
484
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,700
Just like they had the idea for
the self-aware episode, but then
485
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:34,800
they were like, but wait, we're
not actually going to do anyone,
486
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,800
but Leo, it's so weird.
If aware but not that self-aware
487
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,600
we're somewhere, which means we
can do it now because we
488
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,500
acknowledge that we know we're
doing is they're just do it.
489
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,100
Yeah.
Is this better guys?
490
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:56,100
Isn't it?
But do we feel like the because
491
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,300
after she comes out of the body,
swap Tina is suddenly like, oh,
492
00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:02,600
I understand you now Rachel.
Not only do I understand you.
493
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,500
I'm gonna help you like, track
down Carmen tibideaux, make her
494
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:09,600
listen to you.
And it's like, Believe that.
495
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:16,700
Mmm, that's seemed it seemed to
give a lot more fuel to the fire
496
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:18,700
of you don't know how hard it is
to be me.
497
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:22,200
That Rachel is giving which I
don't know to me that didn't
498
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,400
really feel all that earned or
all that deserve.
499
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,700
So I was sort of like I mean
again I'm like I see where
500
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:29,200
you're trying to get this
episode to go.
501
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,700
I'm not sure.
That's true.
502
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:32,700
You took the best Pat.
There we went off-road a little
503
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:33,700
bit.
Yeah.
504
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,900
And I like they also did the
self-aware kind of thing when
505
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:41,800
carbon thibodeau's actually
talking to Rachel and she's
506
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,300
like, you know, for every time I
have to delete one of your
507
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:50,800
voicemails, you're taking time
away from another student times.
508
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,600
You just don't get into the
program but of course, this is,
509
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,700
you know, Rachel?
So yeah, it's going.
510
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:57,100
So it's got to work out some
help.
511
00:28:57,100 --> 00:29:01,000
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Yeah, I thought it was
512
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,600
convenient.
That Rachel somehow knows that.
513
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,600
Carmen tibideaux had to audition
for times for Juilliard and
514
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,100
could just like leave that as
like a Goosebumps walkaway
515
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:15,200
moment of like, yes, weren't you
once me, don't you see yourself
516
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,500
in me?
That is Whoopi Goldberg.
517
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:25,300
How dare you stand where she
stood whooping?
518
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:27,000
Who does an excellent job in
this role?
519
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,800
I think by the way, it's not a
great.
520
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:35,100
Yes, it's a great choice for
that role but I will say Again,
521
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:39,100
as sort of unearned as it was, I
do think that it does a, it does
522
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,500
a lot of good to show.
Basically, you know, just
523
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:47,300
basically how good Tina is, you
know, as a character that she
524
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:50,700
really is willing to sort of
back down.
525
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:53,000
And, you know, I think what
they're trying to say is she's
526
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,200
willing to put aside her own
interest, for those of the group
527
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,100
as a whole, which I don't fully
agree that because it always
528
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:02,000
seems like the group's interests
are always magically Rachel
529
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,900
Berry's in it.
But I will say that it does go a
530
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:09,900
long way to show her as being,
you know, sort of the more
531
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:13,300
selfless and group-oriented
individuals are which I can
532
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:16,200
appreciate, right?
Like, what you just said is very
533
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,500
true because even in this
episode like, yes, you know,
534
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,100
Rachel's talented.
Giving her solos mean, they
535
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:25,100
might win Nationals.
But also, Rachel wants Carmen
536
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:27,300
tibideaux to hear her sing so
yeah.
537
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:32,300
Right.
Ultimately Rachel's You know,
538
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:35,500
desired outcome for her own
personal gain.
539
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:40,900
It's absolutely and you know
it's odd because you know, it's
540
00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:43,600
sort of like a you know it
obviously it is selfish in many
541
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,600
ways but somehow that's not the
most dramatic plot line of this
542
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,600
episode.
I mean, it's ugly somehow always
543
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,300
manages to outdo itself with the
more, you know, they put the
544
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:56,400
more fun, you know, they sort of
invert the typical, a plot, B
545
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,300
plot structure where the a plot
is usually not always, but it's
546
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,500
a lot more light.
Fluffy in this episode.
547
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:06,100
Where as the B plot here is very
dark and very serious.
548
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:10,500
And anyways, well done.
Yeah, yeah.
549
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:14,100
And so I think that basically
wraps up to Tina Rachel
550
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:18,400
storyline.
So, yeah, the very dark other
551
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,000
story line.
Here is Fallout from the
552
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,700
previous episode where, which
was a bummer of a fucking
553
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:29,100
episode here.
Puck fails a test, which means
554
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,800
he's not going to graduate and
Beast.
555
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:38,000
His, oh, my God, being abused by
her husband and, you know, tries
556
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,000
to leave Then ends up staying.
So we see kind of the Fallout of
557
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,500
that.
I will say, I think because I
558
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,500
listened to the last episode of
your guys's podcast about this
559
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:51,000
one before coming on here and I
think you guys hit the nail on
560
00:31:51,008 --> 00:31:53,600
the head when it was like, it
was like an uncharacteristically
561
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,400
dark episode.
Yeah, that also begs a lot of
562
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,200
questions like, where were pucks
other teachers?
563
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,500
What the hell was happening,
that suddenly his future hinges
564
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:08,800
on one geography, test or
something like that?
565
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,100
It's, you know, I had a lot of
questions but after I remember
566
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:14,600
watching that episode for the
first time being Like wow.
567
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,600
That's how we ready?
- yeah.
568
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,500
No but I mean obviously you know
there is a little bit more hope
569
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:23,100
in this.
I do like I do like the ending
570
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:24,700
of The Beast plot in this one,
at least.
571
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,200
Yes.
Yeah.
572
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,600
Now, this one, uh, I will say
it's a give me some feelings
573
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,100
that I wasn't used to seeing
from Glee.
574
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:36,400
Shall we?
Say was like, Wow, damn you go
575
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,300
da Marie Jones in that scene.
Where she leaves Cooter is
576
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,300
incredible, like, I'm chills
right now just thinking about
577
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,700
it.
She is just so impactful and,
578
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:50,300
you know, it glee shouldn't have
done a domestic violence plot
579
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:53,400
line in the first place, but if
they were going to do it, I'm
580
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,300
glad that she was the one kind
of with it on her shoulders.
581
00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:01,900
Because I just think she did a
fantastic job acting that scene
582
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:07,000
and making it feel really real.
I will say the one moment that
583
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,000
really got me was when you know,
in that final confrontation
584
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,700
after She lays down the prop
knife that she got from thin or
585
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:17,500
from Puck and takes off her ring
puts it on the table and says,
586
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:19,300
you know, that's the awful part
of it.
587
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:22,200
I love you.
But what does that say about
588
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,700
what I think of me like, oh
damn, that was good.
589
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:32,800
Yes, yeah, points in Brennan,
yes, yeah, I'm for what he
590
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,900
lacked in the other storyline.
I think I made of hoarding this
591
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:39,500
one definitely because it was
just such an impactful.
592
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,200
Seen dr.
Jones really can pull off things
593
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,400
like that, because of that
without jumping ahead in, like
594
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,500
the timeline of the show like
she has future.
595
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:54,900
Storylines that also like, I
don't entirely work, but she
596
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:58,200
still manages to salvage
performances, out of them that
597
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,600
individually.
Like seen by saying are still
598
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:08,900
really Emotional Mmm.
Yeah and I was like good example
599
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:12,699
of that is when she has that
moment with puck in the locker
600
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:16,600
room mmm-hmm that was a great
scene to yes.
601
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,000
And again it's sort of like I
look at the actor and I'm like I
602
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,300
don't really want to sympathize
with you knowing everything that
603
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:25,800
happened after the show.
But damn, you guys are killing
604
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:32,000
this scene right now.
Yes, I do think that was a nice
605
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,900
way to tie up those two
storylines because that is one
606
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:37,199
of the main, like you said, one
of the main qualities we had
607
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,400
last episode was like, where are
his other teachers?
608
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,699
Like where is someone else?
And so Beast, really, is that
609
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:46,199
teacher who sees him and
advocates for him and is like
610
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:51,000
you're not I'm not going to let
you walk away when I can help
611
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,600
you do something about it and
just so powerful.
612
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:58,700
It was it was a little bit you
know.
613
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:03,500
Usually when we, it was to the
point where she says that
614
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:06,300
basically your teachers going to
let you retake this test because
615
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:09,000
she saw how committed you are to
the Glee Club that you'd show up
616
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,400
in a dress and get beat up over
it.
617
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:15,700
But, you know, it was basically
the way that she delivered the
618
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:19,300
message and the whole thing
about both of us are badasses
619
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:20,900
and people think nothing hurts
us.
620
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,200
Yeah.
You know, I was sort of like,
621
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,000
you know, all overlooked the,
you know, sort of fuzzy logic
622
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,800
there to be like it.
Yes, You're doing such a good
623
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,900
job at this.
I'm like, yes, I believe this
624
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:34,400
this belief suspended.
I'm about it.
625
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,100
It's true like this.
I didn't think about it that
626
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:39,600
way.
I just totally bought it, but
627
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,400
you're right.
It is also kind of a little bit
628
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,500
wonky but yeah, I think good
acting really saved it, which
629
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,200
Yeah, I think speaks to no
offense to Jenna or Lea, but I
630
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,400
felt like I was just confused as
to how that all was going down.
631
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:58,200
Hmm, yes.
Can't.
632
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,500
Well, I guess no.
And I think obviously the
633
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,900
probably the actors in the more
dramatic problem.
634
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,300
You know, storyline had, you
know, probably a heavier load to
635
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:09,700
lift in some ways.
And this one, although obviously
636
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:12,300
doing impressions of your
castmates is never easy either.
637
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:16,600
I keep thinking about their
mannerisms and just dying is so
638
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,800
funny.
Although I will say, I did also
639
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:28,100
really appreciate the moment
where Beast walks into shoe and
640
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:30,000
Sue's meeting.
And says, I want to come with
641
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,200
you, and they noticed that she's
carrying a suitcase and she
642
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,200
announces that she left her
husband and it's like one of
643
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,800
very few moments to see where
shoe and Sue agree on something
644
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,400
and just looks on their faces.
Like, oh my God, you actually
645
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,600
did it.
I was like, oh, that gave me
646
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:47,500
again.
That gave me some cathartic
647
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:48,700
feelings.
I didn't think I could get from
648
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:51,700
Glee.
Three of these moments like
649
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:54,600
that, where I am grateful that
they kept some of the adult
650
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,700
plotlines.
I do think season 3 did the best
651
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:00,200
job.
One of the best jobs of like
652
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:02,500
balancing.
Like having adult storylines
653
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:06,500
that were impactful and
intertwined with the kids to
654
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:10,900
realize and didn't go too far
into fake pregnancy.
655
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Yeah, yeah.
Fuck off.
656
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,100
Yeah, too far into disbelief.
Yeah.
657
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,900
Yeah, definitely.
No, I definitely agree.
658
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:26,300
I think that I think season
three, they really found The
659
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:30,000
Sweet Spot of balance between,
you know, the adults and kids.
660
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,100
And, you know, obviously they
did have moments in future
661
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:38,600
Seasons where, you know, the
adult storylines were featured,
662
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,900
you know, in a good way, but not
quite at the same balance.
663
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:46,200
I think they had in this one.
Yeah, I think, I mean, but I'm
664
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,500
thinking like season for I feel
like the I don't remember much
665
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:54,200
about it but you know, fan being
quote, one of the adults I think
666
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:56,900
serves it.
Well, you know, that he's like
667
00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:01,300
in the adult storylines and it
makes it feel much more relevant
668
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:04,400
and interesting.
It was always hard for them to
669
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,500
do any adult storyline outside
of the kids that was, like,
670
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:12,500
actually made sense or like did
it wasn't just a one-off.
671
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,700
I'm thinking of like, The shell
being in that like acapella
672
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:20,100
group and stuff like that.
But basically served us to get
673
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:21,400
Puck on the show.
Yes.
674
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,700
Yeah I didn't even remember that
much.
675
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:28,200
So that's impressive.
He wasn't that embarrassing
676
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,800
archipelago.
Yeah.
677
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,900
The acafellas.
How could anybody forget that?
678
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,400
Don't fit in anymore and I only
remember that because I'm like,
679
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,700
well, that is a horrible pun and
now I'm never going to forget
680
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,000
it.
You know, it is Tariq.
681
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:42,600
Can't forget the worst pain
you've ever heard.
682
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:46,800
Okay, so the last kind of
storyline, I guess the see plot
683
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:56,100
in this episode is is a very
2012 thing where Wade / unique
684
00:38:56,100 --> 00:39:00,400
who is the lead vocalist of
vocal adrenaline, who Kurt and
685
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,800
Mercedes have encouraged to step
out and perform as their female
686
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,400
Alter Ego.
Unique is a sensation,
687
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:13,400
obviously, she's so talented and
Sue, who needs.
688
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:16,700
The Glee Club to win Nationals
so she can get the Cheerios
689
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,500
back.
Convoluted plot line is
690
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:22,500
convinced that the new
directions also need a
691
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:27,000
cross-dressing lead vocalist and
of course immediately Target
692
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000
skirt for this.
Yes.
693
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,600
Because of course, he's gay, why
wouldn't he be down for this?
694
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:38,200
Yeah, that one I can absolutely
picture myself being, you know,
695
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:42,700
when this came out 2012, so I
would have been about 20 years
696
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:45,800
old and Maybe a little bit less
experience with the world around
697
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,100
me.
I probably could have found this
698
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:51,800
funny back then but watching it
now and 2021 I'm like ooh that's
699
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:56,700
that's a little icky.
Yeah, I remember thinking that
700
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:59,700
the way they handled unique was
a groundbreaking at the time
701
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:03,600
which it still may have been.
And you see today watching it,
702
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,400
you're kind of like the he-she
comments and things like that.
703
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,800
Yeah, it's definitely fit into
the theme of using people as
704
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,600
props which Again the jokes
about when she says, oh, and I
705
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,600
ordered a bunch of little people
to come in and help us like
706
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:21,400
which I think they do show up in
another episode or something.
707
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,900
Oh my god, dude.
They, I think they do I unless
708
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:27,100
that was a strange theater
dream.
709
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:31,400
I had in the midst of, you know,
trying to read a script and also
710
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,900
suffering from a high fever.
I don't know.
711
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:35,600
That would be funny if they
didn't do that.
712
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,300
That would be funny because she
was like, I can't, I can't I
713
00:40:40,308 --> 00:40:42,600
already paid the deposit.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
714
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,300
Although I We'll say cuz I think
you know, I do agree that having
715
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:51,500
Alex Newell on the show.
I am presenting, you know, in
716
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:54,000
different, you know, gender
identities was pretty
717
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:57,800
groundbreaking at the time, you
know, I think they definitely
718
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,900
deserve credit for even just
broaching the subject, which I
719
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:02,900
think was a pretty Hot Topic at
that point.
720
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,900
But then, even seeing now,
because I'm also a big fan of
721
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:10,700
Zoe's extraordinary playlist.
Yes, and seeing Alex Newell, and
722
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:12,400
what they've been doing since
then.
723
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,800
You know, it's sort of like,
okay, I'm glad that they had
724
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,500
that springboard.
Yeah, yeah, sort of become who
725
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:22,000
they are now.
Yeah, and I feel like they've
726
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,000
come a long way.
I was kind of struck in these
727
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,800
scenes that like, Alex is acting
was kind of bad.
728
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,000
Is that judgy of me?
Did y'all feel that to?
729
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,500
I was like, oh, but just so
talented.
730
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:36,000
How can you even be mad?
Like, exactly.
731
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:39,400
No, it's also I remember
watching the Glee project but
732
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,500
that was a fun.
Yay.
733
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:44,300
And thinking the same thing, I'm
like, wow, killer voice.
734
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:50,400
But the acting But they knew
what they were getting.
735
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,500
I guess if that's the case,
right?
736
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:58,100
Right, yeah, so Sue's search for
someone to crossdress.
737
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:04,700
Also, she wants them to do
metal, grinding should do the
738
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:11,100
Flash Dance song, which, that
was ridiculous.
739
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:12,900
I don't know.
That's all I can say about that.
740
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:17,000
Really the best thing about
that.
741
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:21,400
Part was how much fun Chris
Colfer looked like he was having
742
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,900
does absolutely true making?
Those Sparks like having his
743
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:29,200
little moment with it.
Yes, it's cold for likes a bit
744
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,400
of danger, he's like throwing
stars.
745
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,600
Nunchucks Metal Sparks.
This is his alley.
746
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:39,700
Yeah but also just the way she's
trying to explain choreography
747
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:48,500
today.
Three, four, five, six.
748
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:57,200
Spark in time with the music?
Yes, it's like, okay, we'll try.
749
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,700
It was, you know, obviously the
premise itself was a little bit
750
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:06,600
crunchy, but I did love, you
know, just the trying to get
751
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,400
this most outlandish
choreography down, was that did
752
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,300
have me bawling my eyes out
laughing.
753
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,100
I mean is funny and like when
Glee gets those like funny
754
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:20,300
moments, yes.
Think they get him totally right
755
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,400
now.
They definitely when they, when
756
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,300
they make contact they hit it
out of the park.
757
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:27,200
Yes.
Well, it was like a so funny at
758
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,700
no one's expense.
Everyone got a funny one liner
759
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:35,500
like reacting to it.
Yeah, it was like it.
760
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:39,100
Hit that sweet spot for musical
theater nerds.
761
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:43,300
Like us of being a reference to
a musical and it was just, yeah.
762
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,400
Grab it.
I loved it funny.
763
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,100
Brittany line which like we
talked about often on here, like
764
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,300
some of the times Britney's
lines are genuinely funny and
765
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:59,300
some of them are like that's
like what are you trying to do?
766
00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:03,200
Like she jokes about things like
being raped at camp and stuff,
767
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:06,100
right?
Yeah, not funny but are saying
768
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:08,800
that like she took her mask off
because the scars are how you
769
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:16,600
get freckles.
And again, I can see why it's,
770
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,400
you know, a problematic line,
but then going into the Teachers
771
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,800
Lounge later and saying, well,
we're gay.
772
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:28,300
So, if you take this out as a
hate crime, yes, a classic
773
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:29,800
Santana.
I loved us.
774
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,800
So, well, I'm not completely gay
but I see what you're getting
775
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,000
at.
Just the deadpan.
776
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:45,700
Oh man.
So in the end the the drag /
777
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:49,800
props storyline as I wrote it in
my notes was kind of convoluted
778
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,500
because I don't know maybe you
guys understood more but I was
779
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:56,900
like, I said I was watching it
with my wife and Kurt's like oh
780
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:59,800
I have an idea but then what was
his idea?
781
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,600
Just to go film vocal adrenaline
rehearsing I guess and show them
782
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,300
the video that was it I don't
know.
783
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,100
And that leads to the prom.
I don't know.
784
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:12,500
I didn't really understand what
that was.
785
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:14,300
All about.
Someone help me.
786
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,800
What was the point?
Just vocal adrenaline's.
787
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,200
Really good.
So we need to get our act
788
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,200
together.
I guess, I don't know.
789
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:26,800
That sort of seemed to be the
impression that I got because
790
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,100
like, you, I was sort of like
that seems like a plot line that
791
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:30,800
didn't really go much of
anywhere.
792
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,700
Yeah, that was a, we need to
connect this scene to this scene
793
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:37,200
right now and they still weren't
sure how I laugh.
794
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:42,300
Occurred did wear a very dashing
sneak around outfit though as he
795
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:45,200
does.
So that was yes.
796
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:48,400
Measured in hard over here was
like all right, it's served, its
797
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,200
purpose very much James Bond,
always looking Suave no matter
798
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,500
what's going on even if it's
totally inappropriate for what
799
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:59,100
he's doing, always always an
excuse to wear a great outfit.
800
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:01,000
That's my guy.
Yep.
801
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:09,500
Yeah so in the end, Rachel and I
get to sing their duet together.
802
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:42,600
Nothing.
Anyone hears it, you're just
803
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,600
sinking in the empty.
What do you think?
804
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:45,800
Peter?
But they sing.
805
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,100
What a Feeling from Flashdance.
Bring that bring that around and
806
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:53,000
then they go to Nationals.
So I guess, you know, they do
807
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,500
actually talk in this episode.
I just remembered as I'm saying
808
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:58,600
that about the songs they're
going to choose which is like
809
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,600
the most foresight Glee has ever
shown them have for any
810
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,100
competition ever.
So and it was trying to
811
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:07,400
choreograph.
Yeah.
812
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,600
Then working on costumes ahead
of time and they actually think
813
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,700
of a set list for the coops
like, wow, you know, and they do
814
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:19,500
so well without with like
clearly, no shown preparation
815
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:21,300
before.
So you know, it's putting a
816
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:23,200
little effort, might change
things this time.
817
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,800
We'll see.
Okay.
818
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,300
Any any pot stuff?
We missed anything you guys
819
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:31,600
home.
I'm trying to think here.
820
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,100
Is it worth mentioning Puck get
his butt kicked?
821
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:37,400
He really did get fucking raped
this.
822
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:41,600
Stick Nelson has been such a
little side character this
823
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,200
season.
Yes.
824
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:46,300
And I will say that I did feel
bad for puck in this.
825
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:48,500
I'm like, oh yeah, or bastard
here.
826
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:56,300
I did, I did appreciate the fact
that puck is a character.
827
00:47:56,300 --> 00:48:01,900
I think has been through a lot
and I do think Glee was making
828
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:06,400
an honest effort to try and wrap
up his plot line, a little bit
829
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:11,800
and showing his growth and I
mean getting in a fight doesn't
830
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,200
seem like growth on the surface.
I don't know if in generally is,
831
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:19,500
but I was, I did have kind of a
narrative strong.
832
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,800
It where he gets back up and I
mean not when he draws the
833
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,100
knife, but, you know, he did get
back up and like wanted to, you
834
00:48:26,107 --> 00:48:30,800
know, didn't want to go out as a
loser, you know, he wanted to
835
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,800
prove to someone that he's not a
loser, not the right way to go
836
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,000
about it.
But I do think since the whole
837
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,600
show, like, started with him
throwing kids, in the dumpster,
838
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,900
Kurt specifically, the fact that
he got thrown in a dumpster kind
839
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:48,000
of here at the end of his
narrative Arc.
840
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,900
I think, was I think like never
what they were trying to show
841
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:55,300
some like It was a nice touch.
Yeah, I came full circle in a
842
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:58,400
way and I will say that.
It also showed some emotional
843
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,600
growth.
What he did his whole duet with
844
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,500
Beast, mmm, with me.
You know, this?
845
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:04,900
Yeah.
This is somebody who's not a
846
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:08,600
huge Taylor Swift fan, but that,
I think they got exactly the
847
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,300
right message with that song
where it's a little bit.
848
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:12,800
Like, yeah, you kick my ass but
you know what?
849
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,900
I'm moving on to bigger and
better things now and all you're
850
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:18,900
ever gonna be is, you know,
Rick, the stick, you know what I
851
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:19,800
mean?
Right.
852
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:22,100
Yeah, that's not like Rick.
The stick Nelson.
853
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:24,700
With getting out of Lima or
doing anything with his life.
854
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:27,400
Like who are you to call someone
a Lima loser?
855
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,700
My dude, dude, you've got a
mullet in 2012, get over
856
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:32,200
yourself.
Right?
857
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,900
Like what big future are you
gonna have a manager at the
858
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:37,500
Walmart?
Like, that's all you can hope
859
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:42,200
for having spent six years in
retail.
860
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,900
He is 100% that manager that
takes his job way too seriously.
861
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:52,100
Yes, definitely.
So, one of the notes I made was
862
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:58,000
just about the The storyline
where so wants Kurt to be in
863
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,900
Drag and I don't know the fact
that Blaine is not brought up
864
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:04,100
at.
All right.
865
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:11,000
It's like hmm this is entirely
on the more effeminate gay I
866
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
think from like Sue's
perspective.
867
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:18,500
Hmm, I don't know it annoyed me.
Yeah, I agree with that and I
868
00:50:18,508 --> 00:50:22,100
know she tried to chalk it up to
the oh, you were Sookie for
869
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:25,800
Halloween last year.
One, how would you know that?
870
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,300
But right now, so what, you
know, I think definitely, you
871
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:33,300
know, he says, the right things
like just because I'm gay
872
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:37,300
doesn't mean I'm, you know, down
to do this all the time, you
873
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:39,400
know, which I can respect.
But yeah, that was something
874
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,800
when I was watching I'm like,
oh, that's it's icky.
875
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:45,200
Yeah.
And the fact that blame doesn't
876
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,000
even really get any lines of, he
gets like half a line and Mike
877
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,600
some facial expressions.
Yeah out it and it's like Suze
878
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,600
home.
A phobia has been moderate to
879
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,100
mild all the time, you know,
like, she's always got something
880
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:06,000
to say to someone about their
sexuality and it's like, she
881
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,000
calls them porcelain and it's
just another thing.
882
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,900
Like, yeah, typical Glee.
There's always a plot line that
883
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:16,400
like actually concerns queer
people in the queer, people
884
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,900
don't get to discuss it.
No, like one throwaway line such
885
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:22,100
bullshit.
Yeah.
886
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:25,800
Especially with A queer
producer.
887
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,900
A queer creator of clear actor
for Sue, another queer actor and
888
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:34,100
Chris Colfer.
It's sort of like you know, I do
889
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:35,800
question.
You know what sort of
890
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,400
conversation was had in the
writing room or after that first
891
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,800
read-through it's like guys we
surely want to play this four
892
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,800
laps here because this this
doesn't sound right.
893
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,000
You know what I mean?
Yeah and it almost always is
894
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,900
playful absolutely doing
typically in like dancing all
895
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:53,800
around.
What could have been a good?
896
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:56,300
A point and not quite Landing
it.
897
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,200
Exactly.
Exactly.
898
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,200
And it's, it's sort of like it's
meant to be a joke, but she
899
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,000
plays it.
So seriously that it's hard to
900
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,600
take it as a joke.
So you know, there needs to be a
901
00:52:07,607 --> 00:52:10,700
balance there and they miss the
mark in this regard.
902
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,300
Yeah.
But also just see, I forget
903
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:19,500
specifically what she calls her,
but the, she makes an offhanded
904
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:21,300
racial remark in that same
sentence to.
905
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:25,900
I think it's Mercedes like she
calls Kurt, porcelina, and she
906
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:28,800
calls her something else.
I forget what it's something
907
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,100
about her skin color, all right?
But I was like, ooh, yeah,
908
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:34,200
that's like where the hell did
that come from?
909
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,800
Yeah.
Suze like nicknames for the kids
910
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,000
or like never like it's always
just straight up.
911
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:46,500
Liang like yeah.
But they again like try to do
912
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:49,500
the self-aware thing in the
episode where, like, while their
913
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:56,400
body swaps, Matthew Morrison as
you know Sue says something
914
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,500
about Tina that's kind of racist
and then the response is that's
915
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:05,500
kind of racist so right right.
Not looking it doesn't make it
916
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:07,500
not true in all the other
scenes, you do it too.
917
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:09,300
Yes.
And doesn't make it okay for you
918
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:11,800
to keep doing it.
Yeah, right.
919
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:13,800
Yeah.
It's sort of like, I don't know
920
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,600
who gave you the permission
here, but this is gonna sit in
921
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,100
that.
Right with some people, I've
922
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:20,800
been to believe that some of
those people are also not the
923
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,700
demographic for the show, but at
the same Time, you know, if
924
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:26,400
you're looking for a theater
audience, that does tend to be
925
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:30,400
open-minded, but also has a big
queer demographic.
926
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,400
Then it's sort of like, you
know, to what extent are you
927
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,400
alienating.
The people that you want to sit
928
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,000
down and watch every week, you
know what I mean?
929
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:40,800
Yeah.
But they did what they did and
930
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:43,100
that we're not doing it anymore,
I guess.
931
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,400
And at the time I think a lot of
the perspective was ugly is the
932
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,200
only show on TV doing this
right, split, right.
933
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,100
Yeah.
Watching it.
934
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:52,800
Almost a decade on, it's like
me.
935
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,500
Well, you're not the only one
doing it now.
936
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:59,800
And here are the problems.
What is a picture is helpful but
937
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,700
only you know, to an extent does
it?
938
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:05,500
You know, to what extent?
Is it outweighed by problematic
939
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:06,800
representation?
Yeah.
940
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,500
So true.
It's like, Glee was like the
941
00:54:09,508 --> 00:54:13,800
crumbs that we had at the time.
Oh my God, to be, we kind of had
942
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,500
to be happy with it and it's
like yeah I don't even think at
943
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:23,000
this point, you know, the terms
like non-binary were even in
944
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,200
common vernacular, I don't even
know if transgender would have
945
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,700
been to some extent.
I'm sure but like not like main,
946
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:32,800
you know, this was really the
first kind of at least like I
947
00:54:32,808 --> 00:54:36,200
said in my experience seemed
like the first kind of iteration
948
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,400
of putting this on prime-time
television.
949
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:43,600
Television and on Fox, no less.
So, yeah, definitely.
950
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,900
Like we had to be happy with it.
That's actually, that is
951
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:50,800
something that I find that, I've
studied a little bit about this,
952
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,600
because I find it fascinating
about it is, you know, trans and
953
00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:57,300
gender non-conforming
representation in the media.
954
00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:01,200
And really at this was one of
the first representations that,
955
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:07,200
you know, was not, you know,
either play for Laughs or was
956
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,000
not like the out, Deranged
villain because, you know, it's
957
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,500
great that well no, it's not
great but you know, up until
958
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:17,300
then you've got who do you have
Buffalo Bill and Norman Bates?
959
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:20,600
And it's like well, you know,
but it's also not necessarily
960
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,300
played all the time for tragedy.
Obviously we see unique
961
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:27,100
struggling with her identity and
with bullying and things like
962
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:29,300
that.
But it's also not, you know,
963
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,200
Transamerica or Boys, Don't Cry
where it's all about, you know,
964
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,400
eventually somebody getting
beaten up or killed for who they
965
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,900
are, you know what I mean,
right?
966
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:43,000
That's true.
I got really deep on a podcast
967
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,800
about Glee.
I did not expect this, you know,
968
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:51,100
sometimes I know I did Glee's
the one that started talking
969
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:54,300
about things like domestic
violence and school shootings
970
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:56,900
and where the yeah, they started
it.
971
00:55:58,100 --> 00:55:59,500
At least a grassy.
Never pretended.
972
00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:05,400
To be a musical comedy track.
I mean, I mean that if they did
973
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,600
I miss that episode.
Okay, well, I guess all there's
974
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,300
left to do so About our
favorites here at the end.
975
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:14,100
Did you guys have a favorite
song?
976
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:49,500
Definitely, Tina solo.
Because you love me.
977
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:59,300
Yes, I would probably also say
Tina solo for being obviously
978
00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:02,900
showing off a great voice that
had not been used as prominently
979
00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:05,400
as it had previously.
So definitely Tina solo.
980
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,600
I would go with.
This wasn't like some episodes
981
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,700
of Glee or just like non-stop
back-to-back song.
982
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:15,900
Yes, I didn't feel like one.
Yeah.
983
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:19,100
So even like at the what I was
like making my notes trying to
984
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:20,900
think.
What song is my favorite?
985
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,800
It's kind of like my Them were
like super fun.
986
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,200
Yeah, I definitely appreciated
Jenna's solo, just more the
987
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,500
Unicorn that have is in the Glee
music catalog.
988
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,900
Agreed, there was no Don't Stop
Believin in this one right?
989
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,200
You know, I will say I did
really enjoy mean just for the,
990
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,500
you know, one because it's like,
oh Beast is singing.
991
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:47,900
That's doesn't happen much, but,
you know, also, I thought, you
992
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:50,100
know, the point they were trying
to make it pretty well.
993
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:54,100
So, you know, but agreed, I
gotta go with the solo number on
994
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:56,500
this one.
Yes, because you loved me.
995
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:59,200
Yeah.
I as I, after I asked you guys,
996
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:00,900
I was like, wait, what?
Even are the songs in this?
997
00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:03,600
Is there really aren't that
many, there's only four.
998
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,200
Have to verify with myself
because like I said, true, yeah,
999
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,200
there's only four.
So yeah, I got to agree with you
1000
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,300
guys Tina's solos.
Definitely the best one.
1001
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:13,700
I will say.
The Flashdance.
1002
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:17,200
What a Feeling was fun to listen
to Performance certificate.
1003
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,200
Just inspired.
Yeah, but that was fun that they
1004
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,000
did that little nod to
Flashdance.
1005
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:25,200
Yes.
Okay.
1006
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:31,300
Favorite lines.
Oh, and I had one and I just
1007
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:32,300
lost it.
Come back to me.
1008
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:36,700
Okay.
So I've I gotta say like for
1009
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:41,900
the, the funny Factor Brittany
and her delivery of the freckles
1010
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:45,200
line, I can't see this helmet.
I took mine off metal spikes in
1011
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,000
your face, is how you get
freckles and just I don't know.
1012
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,700
I maybe that's what I didn't
remember.
1013
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:52,100
Like much about that saying, but
it actually made me laugh.
1014
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:54,000
So that one's got a win.
Yes.
1015
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,200
Also Beast In the scene where
she's holding the knife.
1016
00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:03,400
I don't know, just like
everything about, but that yes.
1017
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:08,000
Just like a special.
Honorable mention for me, you
1018
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,300
know, I would say yeah,
definitely, the Beast lied about
1019
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:13,800
again.
I'm going to butcher the exact
1020
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,700
wording but it's if I can't
taking you back.
1021
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:18,300
What does that say?
About me is definitely the most
1022
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:22,000
poignant.
And then also Sue has a really
1023
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,500
quick, you know, just throwaway
line where it's Beast asks, if
1024
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:31,900
she can come to Chicago with
them and Sue says, you expect me
1025
00:59:31,908 --> 00:59:34,000
to share my room.
I have an executive maternity
1026
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,600
Suite.
You don't want to wake the baby.
1027
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:39,900
Yeah, just the way she says it
was perfect.
1028
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:45,800
Yes, I forgot about.
That's funny.
1029
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,400
It's just the quickest little
thing.
1030
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,300
At the end of that immediately
gets overshadowed by be saying,
1031
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:54,600
she left Cooter.
Which again, I don't know where
1032
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,100
the name comes from but cougar
the recruiter.
1033
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,500
Sure, let's go with that.
We had something else in my high
1034
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:03,700
school.
I don't know, I know.
1035
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:05,200
Yeah, no definitely.
No.
1036
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,000
We've decided they picked it
because it Rhymes in his there.
1037
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:13,300
Tupid, I will say my little
claim chipper heart, I forgot
1038
01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:15,500
this was the episode where they
do the.
1039
01:00:15,500 --> 01:00:17,700
They show them
trick-or-treating, which is like
1040
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,000
such a piece of gold back in
2012.
1041
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:25,500
We were so starved for any claim
content, it felt like there was
1042
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:29,000
more here than I remember
feeling like there was before,
1043
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,600
but I did not expect it.
Be in this episode.
1044
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,500
And so and it came on I like
screen.
1045
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:40,600
I like that's because what a
like Little slice of like what a
1046
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,500
thing that says so much about
those two people as characters
1047
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:46,800
that they're in high school
going trick-or-treating and
1048
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,600
elaborate Halloween costumes but
that's clearly handmade.
1049
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,100
And it just made me really happy
and I didn't expect that.
1050
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:58,800
So both of their lines are just
ridiculous in that scene and I
1051
01:00:58,808 --> 01:01:00,100
love it.
Yeah.
1052
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,300
I because I am the dinosaur that
still on Tumblr.
1053
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:07,100
That is one of the only things
that makes its way across my
1054
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:11,600
gosh.
Every like, oh, like no matter
1055
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,900
how rarely I see Glee stuff on
there anymore.
1056
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:17,400
Somehow someone is going to
share that.
1057
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,100
Yes, I love it.
I love it and it's also just
1058
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:24,300
sort of like I mean maybe I'm
only speaking for myself here
1059
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:27,800
but you know being 17 years old,
as I think they're supposed to
1060
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,000
be in that scene, my mother
would not have permitted me to
1061
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:30,900
trigger.
That point.
1062
01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:33,600
So I'm like, oh just having
somebody to, you know, make
1063
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,900
these ridiculous costumes with
and hold hands while we go
1064
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:40,000
trick-or-treating at at the age
of 17 was like, yes, this is
1065
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,700
what I want in life.
Yes.
1066
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:47,200
Yeah I know just such like a
sweet like it's innocent, right?
1067
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:48,600
Exactly.
Yeah.
1068
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,700
Just like having fun for the
sake of having fun and like
1069
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:55,100
something like dressing up,
elaborately such a thing that
1070
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:56,900
makes sense for both of them as
characters.
1071
01:01:56,900 --> 01:01:59,300
And it's like yeah we should
have seen more of this all the
1072
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:03,200
time like they should I've had
enough Chris Colfer himself
1073
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,700
actually is like really famous
for his Halloween costume is
1074
01:02:05,707 --> 01:02:07,400
actually Darren Criss is a
little bit too.
1075
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,200
So yeah, little Glee is not a
documentary moment, I guess.
1076
01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:13,900
Okay?
So the last thing is our Coulda
1077
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:18,100
Shoulda Woulda.
So, What do we wish that had
1078
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:19,400
been different?
This episode?
1079
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:24,400
I would have wished that some of
the I think some of what we were
1080
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,600
talking about there that the
language and representation
1081
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,200
around the queer, people should
have been a little bit more
1082
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:34,500
tactful, but knowing that Glee
is what it is.
1083
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:36,500
Perhaps.
That's a that's a little too
1084
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:38,200
pie-in-the-sky.
Mmm.
1085
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:43,200
Mine is pretty buying this guy
to considering like that.
1086
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,100
They were never going to
actually do this but that It had
1087
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:52,100
like Jenna Tina storyline.
I'm did with her like
1088
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,500
backtracking and supporting
Rachel and she had actually
1089
01:02:54,500 --> 01:03:01,800
gotten like yes yes I'm read.
What about yours be?
1090
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,700
Yes, I got ya.
I got to say.
1091
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:10,800
I agree with that too.
I feel like there was such a
1092
01:03:10,808 --> 01:03:16,200
strong start to Tina storyline
and it I hate when storylines in
1093
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,500
with but Rachel very special and
that mountains like that's just
1094
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:24,200
a always been an annoyance for
me and this one particularly
1095
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:28,700
ending up that way when This
should have been a point for
1096
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:32,900
Rachel Berry to like learn a
lesson for real in her life and
1097
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:36,200
annoying.
Very annoying, definitely.
1098
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,200
It was a moment that could have
been her being taken down a peg
1099
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,400
that would have been very
cathartic.
1100
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,500
I think for a lot of people but
you know what it is what it is,
1101
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:48,500
we didn't quite get it, that's
okay.
1102
01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:51,300
They're so there's so much more
that's going to happen to around
1103
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:53,100
that storyline.
That's gonna bother me even more
1104
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:55,900
so.
Well, you've it okay.
1105
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,600
Okay so the Kevin mix scale is
our is our rank out of five on
1106
01:04:00,700 --> 01:04:07,700
how much Kevin shines in this
episode, Kevin McHale a lot to
1107
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:15,000
do in it but he does have a
ponytail so yeah hilarious so
1108
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:22,700
maybe like a 1-1 Kevin 20% Kevin
okay one out of five it slides
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is good.
One is bad right?
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Yeah exactly five Kev.
This is like he's got the a plot
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and a solo and gotcha.
So we go from there.
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Same thing with the, the cleaned
X.
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So that one's out of 10 for
funsies.
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So 10 is like they kiss.
And they soloed saying at each
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other and they had a plot line
where they, you know, and other
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one is like, I don't know.
They were there.
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This one's hard, because do you
count the body swap time as
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claim?
Ooh, I mean if we count what But
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Huck and fended portraying claim
writing.
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That's pretty high.
Because I mean, we got some
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like, full-on cuddling in the
choir room.
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Yeah.
There were two different dates
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featured in this episode.
They went trick-or-treating
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together and they were at the
mall together just hanging out
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because to me it's like we are
talking Finn together.
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Is there a couple named pin or
is it?
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It's definitely fuck.
It's got it.
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Okay?
Just making sure No, I think
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Tumblr probably called it pin
because you couldn't find
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anything if you look and was
100% shit.
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Fuck.
Yeah I would say if fuck counts
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is clean, then you probably
could put it a little above
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five, maybe a sex or so but
otherwise I'd be hard-pressed to
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put it over a three.
Maybe?
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Okay.
So maybe we compromise would
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call like a for-sure middle.
Yeah.
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Till then you can't ya because
it's debatable.
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It's true plane versus fuck you
decide.
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Well, the body swap is so hard
to because it's like is it just
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the actor playing a different
character?
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01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:04,800
Or is it like the actor being
the character playing?
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The other character?
Like, how deep does it go?
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I don't know.
What if he giving lie too?
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Much credit to think they put
that much.
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Yes.
No, you're absolutely correct.
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Oh, anything else we missed
anything else.
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You guys want to add?
Let's remake a movie on Spotify
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or anywhere you listen to your
podcast.
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That's right.
Yes.
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Shawn is been such a fucking
Delight to have you on.
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01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,500
We gotta have Blackie here.
Yeah, I would love to and I'd
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01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:40,300
love to have you guys on to do a
movie mashup.
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01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:42,500
I know we've been discussing
some sort of musical version
1154
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:46,700
perhaps of Silence of the Lambs
but we'll talk to fix ya.
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01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:49,800
A little little teaser guys, you
should go follow let's remake a
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01:06:49,808 --> 01:06:52,800
movie because you might see some
familiar names and voices on
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01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,700
there.
Soon making a fun Mash.
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01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:59,600
Yeah, I noticed you guys haven't
done many or any musicals yet
1159
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:05,000
but you know, keep keep some in
mind where your resident of your
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01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,800
well, and you, of course, as
well.
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01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:10,900
Of course, it seems like there's
not enough of your your
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01:07:10,900 --> 01:07:13,400
influence, you know what?
Shawn next time you guys do an
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01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,600
episode that I wanted you like,
but what if it was a musical?
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01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,100
Like I think that should be your
thing.
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01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:24,200
No Pitch Perfect with something
absolutely amazing.
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01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:29,300
Something about in college.
Yes, I am literally at.
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01:07:29,300 --> 01:07:32,300
So one of my co-host is Laura,
I'm literally at her house right
1168
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:33,600
now.
So I'm going to walk out this
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01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,900
door and tell her what I deserve
more credit, but to way to do
1170
01:07:36,900 --> 01:07:38,800
Pitch Perfect with something
because that is brilliant.
1171
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:43,600
Yes, you will have two very
excited listeners waiting for
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01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,400
that.
Definitely so excited for it.
1173
01:07:46,500 --> 01:07:49,500
Alright, thank you so much for
being with us today.
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01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:51,900
Sean awesome.
My pleasure, thanks for having
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01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:53,600
me.
You've been listening to Glee on
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01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,700
the Rocks.
A Peyote our Productions, a
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01:07:56,700 --> 01:07:58,300
huge.
Thank you to our sound editor
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01:07:58,300 --> 01:08:01,400
Adriana, and our podcasts, who
secretly run the show for more
1179
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,100
episodes.
Download us on Apple podcast
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01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:07,100
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1181
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:11,200
Follow us on Instagram.
Twitter, pod, Chaser and more at
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01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,600
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01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,399
podcast, you can subscribe to
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01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:20,000
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01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,500
get ad-free episodes, exclusive
mini episodes deep diving into
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01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:26,200
the fandom salty.
Onions and so much more.
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01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:29,000
So, until next time, that's what
you missed on Glee.
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I got really deep on a podcast
about Glee.
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I did not expect this Glee Glee
is the one that started talking
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about things like domestic
violence and school shootings,
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and things like that.
So at least a grassy, never,
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pretended to be a musical
comedy.
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You're listening to On the
rocks.
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Hi everyone, welcome to another
episode of Glee on the Rocks.
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I am be I'm Mandy and today, we
have a super special guest from
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The Wonderful zany and clever
podcast.
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Let's remake a movie.
Our Guest Sean.
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Welcome Sean.
Thanks so much for having me
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here today.
Yeah, so tell us a little bit
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about the podcast, which
everybody know, so what everyone
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should know about.
Let's remake a movie is, we
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basically take every bar
discussion or You know what, if
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session that you've had with
your friends over the years for
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the you say, you know what, if
we took these two movies and
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mash them together, or you know,
who would win in a fight between
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Superman and Goku or something
like that, what we do is we
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basically take the premise of a
movie and we say what if we
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change it up a little bit.
So we've done everything.
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From what if Indiana Jones had
to fight Joe Exotic the Tiger
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King three wha-what if the
Griswold Family took their
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Christmas vacation at the
Overlook Hotel to The Shining.
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So, Basically, we take, you
know, two relatively classic
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movies and just make them as
ridiculous as we can.
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Yeah, I had so much fun
listening to y'all's episode of
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Pineapple Express and Inception
in section.
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I had such a great time
listening to that one.
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I can really see it, it would
really work, it's one of those
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we find that.
Typically, if you get a movie
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that's ridiculous.
It doesn't matter if it's
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serious ridiculous like
Inception or, you know, just
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funny ridiculous like Pineapple
Express as long as there's.
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I'm sort of common denominator
between the two in terms of how
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over the top they can be, then
you're always going to have a
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good time with it.
So there's a science to re
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making a movie a little bit, you
know, he's got to find something
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that the two of them have in
common, whether it's, you know,
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a style or a setting like a
Christmas vacation and a winter
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setting in The Shining, you
know, as long as there's a
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little bit of overlap, we can
sort of massage the two of them
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together.
That makes sense.
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The Shining one is a one that I
listen to most recently and I
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love the characterization Chevy
Chase like versus Giants.
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That was we had gone back and
forth on that.
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And part of, that was because
one of our co-host, my friend,
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Laura very much hate Stanley
Kubrick, which is very much on
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display that episode.
So, you know, just sort of the
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sheer, you know, energy from
that, you know, sort of nerd
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rage that Got into definitely
help to you know sort of as well
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push forward that you know,
manic energy, that's always in
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either chevie Chase or Jack
Nicholson and either of those
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movies.
So we got lucky with that one
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that we also happen to press the
nerve with her, I suppose.
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Awesome.
Well, of course, coming on, Glee
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on the rocks.
Glee.
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We got it.
We got to talk about it so we we
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talk about our fandom pass from
Ferg, leave quite a bit.
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So let's tell the people where
you're coming from.
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Are you a Gleek?
I am a Gleek or it'll probably
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more accurately was a Gleek
coming weeks?
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Yeah.
Formerly guess it worked.
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Frankly, it came out when I was
about 16 years old, you know,
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definitely a, you know, nerdy
theater kid.
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You know, always a little bit of
an outcast.
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So I was basically the people
they were depicting on the show
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so I remember watching.
For the first time be like oh my
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God, I see myself, you know,
obviously just without all the
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cheesy dance numbers and
occasionally problematic
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experiences.
But nevertheless it was a show
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that was near and dear to my
heart when it first came out
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since, you know, which I
followed along pretty
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religiously and through college,
I forget exactly where I fell
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off but you know since then
thanks to things like Netflix,
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I've definitely and things like
a quarantine.
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I definitely been able to play
catch-up as it were and so I
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remembered how much I enjoy Get
it on.
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Ironically, yeah, I think a lot
of people played catch up with
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Glee over the quarantine.
Yeah, that was one of those
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shows.
I saw like quite a few people
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breaking out to like Marathon
through.
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Absolutely.
Absolutely.
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And it's sort of like, you know,
I had to look back knowing on,
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you know, all the drama that
surrounded, the cast in the year
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since then, to see how it holds
up.
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And it's like, you know, you
were so young and innocent
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before everything went wrong,
you know what I mean?
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So, it was kind of Bittersweet
in that way, but I still love
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the show.
So you have seen season 6.
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It's been a little while but I
have seen our our tagline and
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this this started especially for
me and Emily since I became on
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the podcast a little bit later,
but it's we haven't seen season
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six either.
All right, eventually in the run
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of the podcast.
And at that point, Emily and I,
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at least will be reacting to
things.
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We haven't seen you, can you can
take your time with that one to
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rush.
Yeah.
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Right, we're not in a hurry.
No, where's the now?
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There's a I mean we all know
what to expect when it comes to
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Glee but you know, I will say
it's a pretty it's a pretty good
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ending for what the show was.
I will say that much.
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Hmm.
Yeah, I've only seen it once and
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like a binge watch kind of way.
So it'll be fun to critically
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pick it apart because it was, it
was all so many years later and
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Fortune.
Netflix just re watching the
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whole thing.
So it Yeah, there we go.
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Well to bring you back for
season 6 because I think that
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would be truly a great time to
just be glad to yeah that'd be
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great for sure.
No it's almost like it was the
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same way.
How looking back on this episode
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I was kind of like who some of
this was a little troubling at
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the time or at least would be to
Modern sensibilities but you
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know but it still reminded me
how much I love the music that
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they put together and the
arrangements.
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I always thought was fantastic
regardless of what else was
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going on.
On.
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Yeah, that's how that's how ugly
like ketchup old in ml for sure.
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For sure.
That was a I remember probably
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my first really hard core memory
associated with Glee is, as you
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know, I'm from upstate New York.
So as my mother and I were
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driving all over, you know, the
vast expanses of forests and
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Wasteland and stuff like that.
In my college search, we had the
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season one Glee CD densities
were thing and we it was one
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piece of music that we could
agree on.
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So it was a CD that we
basically, you know, wore out
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the 12 songs or however many
were on it, you know, over the
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course of hours, upon hours of,
you know, very boring road trips
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was saying along to that that
CD.
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So I'll always have fond
memories of that, you know, at
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least the early seasons and then
moving on into the you know,
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little bit wacky or Seasons, you
know, but they still bring that
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good feeling.
Yeah wacky definitely describes
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the place we're at with lives as
a No that that we're talking
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about today.
Mmm.
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Yes yeah, let's get into it.
So we always start with given
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the listeners, a little
description of the episode
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because let's be real, we didn't
all go back and watch these.
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But today we're talking about
season 3 episode 20 props.
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So it aired on May 15th. 2012,
it's directed by and written by
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Ian Brennan.
One of the original show Runners
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are a b and this is a
description from Google which is
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not entirely accurate as usual
with the Nationals looming.
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The kids prepare a high-concept
routine when Tina bumps her head
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in rehearsals her new
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World is turned upside down
apropos of nothing.
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But yeah, that's so Props and
that's about a third of what
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happens in the show.
I think they're consistently
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terrible with leaving out most
of the the actual, A and B plot.
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Every single time were like,
that's and Tina doesn't even
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bump her head in rehearsals.
That's not even correct.
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So, you know, no, one ever
person that wrote, those didn't
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watch believe or didn't watch
Glee.
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Nope.
Nope.
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They watch the trailer the next
time on Glee.
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That's right.
That is like, you can't make me
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watch it.
You can't make me watch it.
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Yep.
So, what were our overall
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Impressions initial thoughts?
Like, I'll be honest.
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It was not as funny as I
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I think some of that comes down
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actors now.
Mmm, Mmm.
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It's like, there's always that
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particularly the show is had so
many tragedies and then like, I
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don't know, not quite tragedies,
but things better, left unlocked
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about.
That seems just hit a little
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different now, but some of the
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It doing there like impressions
of each other so yes, yeah, it
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had moments.
I will say I did like the
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conceit of the whole body swap
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think it gave them a good
opportunity to basically make
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fun of themselves in a way, you
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And it's just even the little
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Like, you know, when they cut to
the body, swapped kids after
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Tina does her big number and Joe
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little pop and lock because
that's all he does.
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And in the same way that I think
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in talking about Blaine's hair
gel and basically how you know,
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it's a joke that, you know,
everybody hates planes hair but
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you know, I think to some extent
because Ryan Murphy is obviously
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aware of criticism against you
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I think having him as Puck and
just having him have the Mohawk,
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you know, as the most shocking,
you know hair transformation.
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Possible is sort of like saying
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We get it.
So here you go deal with this
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now, it's really Ryan Murphy is
very good at trying to give
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people not what they want but
step were so they stop
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complaining.
Okay?
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And I agree as well.
That sort of looking back on
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knowing what happened to the
actors afterwards and just you
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know, knowing about the
backstage drama with Lea Michele
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and knowing about all the things
that happened with Puck.
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After the show ended, it does
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more poignant.
That's where it's sort of.
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Like I'm not sure I want to
sympathize with you all that
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well, but you're doing a very
good job in this moment.
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Yeah.
Yeah, that's a really good way
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of putting it.
It's like you can't you can't
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unknow what you know that
happened after the show, but
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Anyway, yeah, yeah.
That's especially if the whole
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thing is also about, you know,
to some extent, a critique of
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Rachel, being a diva and hogging
the air time.
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Then it's sort of like, in many
ways I think, at least, I
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remember when I first watched
this episode is Tina was saying
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a lot of what I was thinking at
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Mmm.
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thinking, yes, that's awesome.
You know, finally somebody is
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sticking up for her.
You know, saying all the things
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that, you know, I've been
thinking that it's sort of,
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like, she can really treat these
people better, but, you know,
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which did make it a little bit
disappointing when she sort of,
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you know, backed off it
afterwards.
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But I see what they were doing
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And I'd forgotten that, like,
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I'd forgotten kind of how it
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I remember the plot of the
episode but not that Tina ends
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up kind of just like
backtracking totally.
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I know I was, I was a little.
I was disappointed in her.
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Yeah, you were on the right
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Yeah, that's exactly it.
It's sort of like nothing she
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said was wrong and also just
again this is trying to divorce
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the personal drama knowing how
apparently Lea Michele treated.
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Some of her co-stars on the
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I'm sure some of that resonated
very closely but you know, but
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at the same time it was
certainly a very satisfying
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moment for a character who was
underused at that point.
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I think who had a great voice
but, you know, definitely could
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have been hurt more.
So do you think that?
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Polly is not a documentary, I
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think there was any sort of like
low-key insinuations in the
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writing that that was sort of
like reflecting how Lea Michele
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actually was in real life.
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Oh gosh.
Well like you said it's not a
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documentary but you know I think
anybody who's ever done a glee
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club High School theater.
Anything like that has known a
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Rachel Berry at some point in
their lives and sometimes we've
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been that, right?
You'll bury.
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But that's how I would say that.
I would be hard-pressed to say
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that the writer themselves are
sort of putting in digs for the
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actors on purpose.
I think it's more in this case,
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life imitating art, where you
have a diva playing kind of a
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diva character.
You know, I just trying to think
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of how how that first script
read would have gone if Lea
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Michele but it was personal, you
know what I mean?
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Well, Rachel ends up looking
pretty good in the end, so maybe
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she would take it all's.
Well, that ends?
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Well, just like that.
It's friend be like, all right.
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Yeah, I know this can stay
because we do open the entire
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episode so that that's what you
missed on Glee is actually all
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about Tina.
Actually, she kind of got
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ignored last year to actually
Tina sort of, been ignored the
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whole time and she's been in the
New Direction since like
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forever.
The first time she got a solo.
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She insisted she was bad and for
us mr.
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Shue to give the song to Rachel
and every solo since she's
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either gotten booed or started
crying uncontrollably.
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No one noticed that she went
from dressing Punk to dressing
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God to dressing like a go-go
dancer and 60s swinging London.
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She even got my chain to college
and she hardly got a thank-you
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sometimes people don't even seem
to know her name, girl, train,
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Tina, blow, and Wang, Asian
horror movie.
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And that's what you missed on
Glee, which is interesting.
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They've never, I don't remember
a time that they use that as
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like a comedic plot device
almost once in a while, you
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know, but really funny to hear
like the little voiceover and
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all the clips of Glee being very
Alpha where that Tina is a
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background character and Tina
even says in the episode.
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She's like, I've been here since
the first day I was doing, Sit
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Down, You're Rockin the boat and
typical Glee fashion that by the
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end of the episode, it's like,
okay.
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And now we'll never talk about
that again.
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Go back to the way it was and
it's fine.
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But Tina does cause a pretty big
stink in the Glee Club saying,
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you know, Rachel gets all the
solos and I don't get any
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respect, basically, even though
I've been here the whole time,
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Time and Mike is mad at her
about that.
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I had a lot of just not great
feelings about the way, the
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whole plot went down because I
feel like Tina had a point.
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Like, right, Rachel's not even
auditioning for solo, she just
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getting them.
That's not how Glee Club should
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work in my opinion.
But He's going to be really just
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that special.
I agree.
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I thought the whole scene with
with Mike the confrontation in
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the hallway afterwards.
I was having a hard time seeing
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where he was coming from.
Yeah in so far as you know him
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saying you know more or less
wait your turn which you know
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obviously if there's been some
indication that your turn is
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coming, that's one thing, but
I've never, I never saw that
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with Tina in particular, just
seems like In a way, she was
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absolutely right in terms of she
was feeling like she was being
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used as a prop and to some
extent, you know, Mike as the
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lead dancer.
I think he would have been
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perfectly within his right to
say, so do I but but yeah, I had
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a really had a hard time seeing
his point of view.
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There, it does seem that at
least, as far as you know,
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Matthew Morrison, mr.
Shue goes.
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That Rachel is that special?
But yeah, as far as in the grand
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scheme of things, it does seem a
little bit.
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Well, you know, Not a little
bit, it does seem unfair.
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I think she's, you know, got
some perfectly valid grievances
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to voice their and it was
interesting to me that Rachel's
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response to her was like to have
any idea how difficult it is to
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be me.
It's exhausting being me.
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Yeah, yeah.
Oh my God, you all this stuff.
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And I have to be always ready
for a solo or whatever it is
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just like so far removed from
reality that it's just like just
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even more laughable than it
could be because it's like what
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high schooler in what world like
even I don't know that she
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offers her 50 bucks to back off
like you I don't know if I can
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curse on this podcast but no
you're like okay bitch trust the
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word I was going for you.
Well I guess it least she didn't
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send her to a crack house like
she did, oh my God, I forgot
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about this is true.
On the scale of bribe to crack
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house.
It's very low on the Yeah until
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she considers Tina of Friends by
treating her less crappily than
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she does some other friends.
Yeah, yeah, she doesn't make her
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transfer schools.
I guess that's the thing.
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No.
Oh God.
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I forgot about that too.
Jesus.
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Okay.
So Tina being really upset.
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Still about Rachel does not take
Rachel's 50 bucks.
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Yeah.
I'm still upset with Rachel
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texting Mike in fighting with
him about Rachel, which was also
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nonsensical.
Honestly, I can't think of any
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Rachel Berry type that I
encountered in high school that
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anybody would want to defend
even, you know, it was like,
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okay, she's talented and we hate
her, we all know this, like, but
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I digress.
I'm trying to get us in the body
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swap things.
So Tina's at the mall, she's
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picking up fabric.
Apparently in the Glee Club,
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they make the younger members so
their costumes, that's not a
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thing.
No, no groaning, that's not a
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thing.
They don't just become skilled
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seamstress has, because they're
being hazed.
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Either theatrical costume
design.
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I needed to spend a long time
working on that.
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I wouldn't give it to a 13 year
old kid to work on.
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Yes, it.
Thank you, thank you.
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It's not like you can just add.
Those dresses were complicated
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to than multiple fabrics and
parts and ruching and no way I
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credit to that.
They did look like they were
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doing a very good job at that,
right?
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But Tina distracted by her rage
at Rachel falls in the fountain
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at the mall and hits her head.
And so she runs into Kurt and
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Blaine before that and when she
comes out of the fountain
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suddenly curtain blader not Kurt
and Blaine.
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I did love this first moment.
It's okay this this episode has
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a treasure of klain moments
which I don't know if you know
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we're big claim fans over here I
still do.
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So I was delighted and joy.
I myself.
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But um yeah so instead of Darren
Criss playing Blaine now it's
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Mark salling play million
instead of Chris Colfer playing
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Kurt.
Now it's Cory Monteith playing
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Kurt which was a hilarious swab.
I got to say that was inspired,
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I think so.
I guess my question is, who was
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your favorite Swap and why?
Oh, gosh.
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I gotta say that the klaine
swap.
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Honestly, just as Who, you know,
in high school you know, was
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sort of like oh, you know
fucking fin will be an
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interesting couple.
It did.
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Let me have that intensity for a
moment so I'm like yeah that's
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actually kind of nice.
I like them and honor.
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Yeah why not?
You know I can remember being on
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Tumblr I'm sure that if I were
on it at the time they would
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have been all over this episode
but we were but I would say that
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for me it's the little moments
like the I would say probably
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Mike Shang and Zhou swapping
because like I said, I think
368
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,300
when we were just getting
started but just a little pop
369
00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:35,200
and lock that he throws in
because you know, he's got to
370
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,000
show that he's like Chang
somehow and that's how he's
371
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:42,000
gonna do it.
And also just probably Mercedes
372
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:47,100
nrt as just because it's sort of
like this is the weirdest couple
373
00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:51,200
ever but I am about it.
I didn't remember I was I
374
00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:54,100
started watching the episode of
my wife came in to watch it with
375
00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:57,300
me and she was like wait who
plays Santana And I didn't
376
00:20:57,300 --> 00:21:00,000
remember.
And then the same came on Words
377
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,500
already and now it's like, I'm,
it's funky artists.
378
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,900
And then we watch the whole
episode together because we were
379
00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:07,400
dying laughing.
Yes.
380
00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:13,300
Typically at at Kevin McHale and
his Santana Depression was so
381
00:21:13,300 --> 00:21:15,800
good.
That, that was my favorite swap
382
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,100
especially like they did some
little behind the scenes things
383
00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:21,400
where they were just like
talking to the actors as they
384
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,200
were like swapped.
Yeah, it's watching.
385
00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:28,600
Nia and Kevin.
As like Nia did a whole like
386
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,200
tour of all of her, like, Artie
accessories.
387
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,700
She was wearing.
My pants are so high and the
388
00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:37,700
orthopedic shoes going, they're
comfy.
389
00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:42,300
I got my glasses, my suit bag,
my grip and Kevin was just like,
390
00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:45,200
I got this ponytail.
Kevin has a ponytail that's
391
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:50,000
basically, the only resemblance
between Santana and myself.
392
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:58,100
I love the ponytail just like
I'm like piece of the weirdest
393
00:21:58,100 --> 00:22:00,800
thing to see ever and I love
everything about it.
394
00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:04,200
What am I favorites?
W?
395
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,100
Which was all background work.
They didn't have any plot at all
396
00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:11,200
in the body.
Spock scene was Quinn and sugar
397
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,700
Dianna, Agron was working it.
It's just she was same thing.
398
00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:19,700
Vanessa Lindsay's was so good as
quit.
399
00:22:19,700 --> 00:22:22,500
I thought they just gave it.
Everyone just gave it a hundred
400
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,900
and fifty percent whether they
were in the back.
401
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,700
Background or the foreground and
it was just incredible like they
402
00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:30,300
were having fun.
Yeah.
403
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,400
In like the behind-the-scenes
stuff, Diana's also like she's
404
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:42,100
fully in character.
I can't even tell if she's in
405
00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:46,600
character as sugar or Vanessa,
but, but she is just, like,
406
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,100
walking around like Kevin and
Nia, and having fun with it.
407
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:56,000
I will also say that as a
teenager, I had a huge celebrity
408
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,900
crush on Vanessa lng's for a
while.
409
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,400
Yeah, and then subsequently,
when Glee came on, I had a huge
410
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,100
celebrity crush on Dianna,
Agron.
411
00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:06,400
So, it did allow me for a
moment, feel like, yes, yes,
412
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:13,000
Dianna Agron, Fist.
Like, she's pretty and I want to
413
00:23:13,008 --> 00:23:16,200
marry her.
But it's like, do I want to
414
00:23:16,208 --> 00:23:17,500
marry her?
Do I want to be her?
415
00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:18,500
I don't know.
Yeah, yeah.
416
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,100
Dianna Agron was many a Tumblr
users gay.
417
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,800
Awakening.
I remember this very distinctly.
418
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:30,800
Yes, it wasn't quite my
Awakening, but I love being a
419
00:23:30,808 --> 00:23:35,500
different way.
I guess lasting Obsession.
420
00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:36,600
That's for sure.
Exactly.
421
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:39,500
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
422
00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:42,100
I also.
While we're specifically talking
423
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:47,500
about the swaps the fact, but
Puck and fin as carton Blaine
424
00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:49,300
were cuddlier than actually.
Yes.
425
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:55,400
And no more chemistry at some
point, I know I'll absolutely
426
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,500
nothing ever being pissed.
It's fine.
427
00:23:59,300 --> 00:24:02,400
I've gone over it.
I did also love Matthew Morrison
428
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,200
in the track suit.
Oh my God.
429
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,300
This soon, she was probably,
yes.
430
00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:09,100
Okay, that would really is the
best I think, because they went
431
00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:11,400
so hard.
And they didn't have to, but
432
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,400
they did for us and it's also
the moment, you realize.
433
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,100
Wow, they actually have
basically the same haircut
434
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,500
because they have done something
here.
435
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,300
Barry so interchangeable when
Matthew Morrison as sued, like,
436
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:30,800
put his fingers in his ears.
Yeah, every moment, everybody
437
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,000
was working it so hard and I
appreciated them.
438
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,000
It was such a great, like,
truly, like cast episode.
439
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,900
I think it, it just reminded me
how much I loved the cast
440
00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:42,700
members and how that kept me,
watching Glee way after I
441
00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:47,300
probably should have wonderful,
okay.
442
00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:54,300
So because Tina in the, in the
body.
443
00:24:54,300 --> 00:25:00,600
Swap is Rachel, she gets to have
a solo and yeah, I was going to
444
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,500
say and she kills it and she
kills it with a little
445
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:07,300
encouragement from Chris Colfer
as Finn.
446
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:12,100
Yes, he's like, afterwards,
we're going to make out because
447
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:16,800
your boobs look slightly bigger.
Today for some reason could be
448
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:22,900
my favorite line in the show.
Thank you for that.
449
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,100
Yeah, kills it.
What is she saying?
450
00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:33,400
Celine Dion.
Yeah because he loved me because
451
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,600
you loved me.
Such a great song and I do love
452
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:43,100
the fact that the joke about her
never getting a solo gets to
453
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:46,100
continue on because technically
it wasn't her.
454
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:51,300
Yeah but it's also show I think
that basically she has a Is that
455
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:55,700
is on the same level as Rachel
just because she murders that
456
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:57,300
number the same way that Rachel
would have.
457
00:25:57,300 --> 00:26:00,100
So it's sort of like okay yeah,
so there's, you know, just adds
458
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:03,000
more Credence to everything she
said, she's like yeah you know,
459
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,100
I am that good.
It's like yeah, our dresses for
460
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:09,900
Tina always I was so intrigued
by there was like multiple times
461
00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:12,300
in this episode, they were like
you're going to your time is
462
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:14,300
coming and your going to get
solos and you're going to be the
463
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:17,300
lead female vocalist and I'm
like hold up because I really
464
00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:20,300
like it doesn't.
Yeah.
465
00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:25,400
Extra sad which yeah High School
drama club promises are made to
466
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,100
be broken, you know, Justice for
Jenna.
467
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:32,100
That's what I really feel.
Like she should have been on
468
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:34,900
Broadway and doing something way
better with her time.
469
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:37,000
But I mean, we're lucky, I
guess.
470
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:43,700
But so the way that Tina
switches back, as she has a
471
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:49,800
heartfelt conversation with Lea
Michele as Tina in the hallway I
472
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,800
guess to tell herself that she
appreciates herself.
473
00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:00,500
Yeah, but yet somehow it turns
out to be about Rachel because
474
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:05,100
they start talking about Carmen
tibideaux and her bid to get
475
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:07,400
into nyada.
So, I don't know.
476
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,900
I just felt like that.
I have notes.
477
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:11,400
There didn't didn't make a whole
thing.
478
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,700
Yeah.
Me, it's sort of, like, even
479
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,300
even her personal experience and
somehow about Rachel, it's sort
480
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:21,800
of like that.
Sure, that's what we want with
481
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,400
the message here, but, uh, okay,
I'll follow you.
482
00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:27,300
Isn't that Glee in a nutshell,
somehow, it's still about
483
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:28,400
Rachel.
Yep.
484
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,700
Just like they had the idea for
the self-aware episode, but then
485
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:34,800
they were like, but wait, we're
not actually going to do anyone,
486
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,800
but Leo, it's so weird.
If aware but not that self-aware
487
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,600
we're somewhere, which means we
can do it now because we
488
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,500
acknowledge that we know we're
doing is they're just do it.
489
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,100
Yeah.
Is this better guys?
490
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:56,100
Isn't it?
But do we feel like the because
491
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,300
after she comes out of the body,
swap Tina is suddenly like, oh,
492
00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:02,600
I understand you now Rachel.
Not only do I understand you.
493
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,500
I'm gonna help you like, track
down Carmen tibideaux, make her
494
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:09,600
listen to you.
And it's like, Believe that.
495
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:16,700
Mmm, that's seemed it seemed to
give a lot more fuel to the fire
496
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:18,700
of you don't know how hard it is
to be me.
497
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:22,200
That Rachel is giving which I
don't know to me that didn't
498
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,400
really feel all that earned or
all that deserve.
499
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,700
So I was sort of like I mean
again I'm like I see where
500
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:29,200
you're trying to get this
episode to go.
501
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,700
I'm not sure.
That's true.
502
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:32,700
You took the best Pat.
There we went off-road a little
503
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:33,700
bit.
Yeah.
504
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,900
And I like they also did the
self-aware kind of thing when
505
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:41,800
carbon thibodeau's actually
talking to Rachel and she's
506
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,300
like, you know, for every time I
have to delete one of your
507
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:50,800
voicemails, you're taking time
away from another student times.
508
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,600
You just don't get into the
program but of course, this is,
509
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,700
you know, Rachel?
So yeah, it's going.
510
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:57,100
So it's got to work out some
help.
511
00:28:57,100 --> 00:29:01,000
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Yeah, I thought it was
512
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,600
convenient.
That Rachel somehow knows that.
513
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,600
Carmen tibideaux had to audition
for times for Juilliard and
514
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,100
could just like leave that as
like a Goosebumps walkaway
515
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:15,200
moment of like, yes, weren't you
once me, don't you see yourself
516
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,500
in me?
That is Whoopi Goldberg.
517
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:25,300
How dare you stand where she
stood whooping?
518
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:27,000
Who does an excellent job in
this role?
519
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,800
I think by the way, it's not a
great.
520
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:35,100
Yes, it's a great choice for
that role but I will say Again,
521
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:39,100
as sort of unearned as it was, I
do think that it does a, it does
522
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,500
a lot of good to show.
Basically, you know, just
523
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:47,300
basically how good Tina is, you
know, as a character that she
524
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:50,700
really is willing to sort of
back down.
525
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:53,000
And, you know, I think what
they're trying to say is she's
526
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,200
willing to put aside her own
interest, for those of the group
527
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,100
as a whole, which I don't fully
agree that because it always
528
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:02,000
seems like the group's interests
are always magically Rachel
529
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,900
Berry's in it.
But I will say that it does go a
530
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:09,900
long way to show her as being,
you know, sort of the more
531
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:13,300
selfless and group-oriented
individuals are which I can
532
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:16,200
appreciate, right?
Like, what you just said is very
533
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,500
true because even in this
episode like, yes, you know,
534
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,100
Rachel's talented.
Giving her solos mean, they
535
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:25,100
might win Nationals.
But also, Rachel wants Carmen
536
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:27,300
tibideaux to hear her sing so
yeah.
537
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:32,300
Right.
Ultimately Rachel's You know,
538
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:35,500
desired outcome for her own
personal gain.
539
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:40,900
It's absolutely and you know
it's odd because you know, it's
540
00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:43,600
sort of like a you know it
obviously it is selfish in many
541
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,600
ways but somehow that's not the
most dramatic plot line of this
542
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,600
episode.
I mean, it's ugly somehow always
543
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,300
manages to outdo itself with the
more, you know, they put the
544
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:56,400
more fun, you know, they sort of
invert the typical, a plot, B
545
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,300
plot structure where the a plot
is usually not always, but it's
546
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,500
a lot more light.
Fluffy in this episode.
547
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:06,100
Where as the B plot here is very
dark and very serious.
548
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:10,500
And anyways, well done.
Yeah, yeah.
549
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:14,100
And so I think that basically
wraps up to Tina Rachel
550
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:18,400
storyline.
So, yeah, the very dark other
551
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,000
story line.
Here is Fallout from the
552
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,700
previous episode where, which
was a bummer of a fucking
553
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:29,100
episode here.
Puck fails a test, which means
554
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,800
he's not going to graduate and
Beast.
555
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:38,000
His, oh, my God, being abused by
her husband and, you know, tries
556
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,000
to leave Then ends up staying.
So we see kind of the Fallout of
557
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,500
that.
I will say, I think because I
558
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,500
listened to the last episode of
your guys's podcast about this
559
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:51,000
one before coming on here and I
think you guys hit the nail on
560
00:31:51,008 --> 00:31:53,600
the head when it was like, it
was like an uncharacteristically
561
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,400
dark episode.
Yeah, that also begs a lot of
562
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,200
questions like, where were pucks
other teachers?
563
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,500
What the hell was happening,
that suddenly his future hinges
564
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:08,800
on one geography, test or
something like that?
565
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,100
It's, you know, I had a lot of
questions but after I remember
566
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:14,600
watching that episode for the
first time being Like wow.
567
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,600
That's how we ready?
- yeah.
568
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,500
No but I mean obviously you know
there is a little bit more hope
569
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:23,100
in this.
I do like I do like the ending
570
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:24,700
of The Beast plot in this one,
at least.
571
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,200
Yes.
Yeah.
572
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,600
Now, this one, uh, I will say
it's a give me some feelings
573
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,100
that I wasn't used to seeing
from Glee.
574
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:36,400
Shall we?
Say was like, Wow, damn you go
575
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,300
da Marie Jones in that scene.
Where she leaves Cooter is
576
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,300
incredible, like, I'm chills
right now just thinking about
577
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,700
it.
She is just so impactful and,
578
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:50,300
you know, it glee shouldn't have
done a domestic violence plot
579
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:53,400
line in the first place, but if
they were going to do it, I'm
580
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,300
glad that she was the one kind
of with it on her shoulders.
581
00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:01,900
Because I just think she did a
fantastic job acting that scene
582
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:07,000
and making it feel really real.
I will say the one moment that
583
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,000
really got me was when you know,
in that final confrontation
584
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,700
after She lays down the prop
knife that she got from thin or
585
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:17,500
from Puck and takes off her ring
puts it on the table and says,
586
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:19,300
you know, that's the awful part
of it.
587
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:22,200
I love you.
But what does that say about
588
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,700
what I think of me like, oh
damn, that was good.
589
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:32,800
Yes, yeah, points in Brennan,
yes, yeah, I'm for what he
590
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,900
lacked in the other storyline.
I think I made of hoarding this
591
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:39,500
one definitely because it was
just such an impactful.
592
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,200
Seen dr.
Jones really can pull off things
593
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,400
like that, because of that
without jumping ahead in, like
594
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,500
the timeline of the show like
she has future.
595
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:54,900
Storylines that also like, I
don't entirely work, but she
596
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:58,200
still manages to salvage
performances, out of them that
597
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,600
individually.
Like seen by saying are still
598
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:08,900
really Emotional Mmm.
Yeah and I was like good example
599
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:12,699
of that is when she has that
moment with puck in the locker
600
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:16,600
room mmm-hmm that was a great
scene to yes.
601
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,000
And again it's sort of like I
look at the actor and I'm like I
602
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,300
don't really want to sympathize
with you knowing everything that
603
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:25,800
happened after the show.
But damn, you guys are killing
604
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:32,000
this scene right now.
Yes, I do think that was a nice
605
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,900
way to tie up those two
storylines because that is one
606
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:37,199
of the main, like you said, one
of the main qualities we had
607
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,400
last episode was like, where are
his other teachers?
608
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,699
Like where is someone else?
And so Beast, really, is that
609
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:46,199
teacher who sees him and
advocates for him and is like
610
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:51,000
you're not I'm not going to let
you walk away when I can help
611
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,600
you do something about it and
just so powerful.
612
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:58,700
It was it was a little bit you
know.
613
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:03,500
Usually when we, it was to the
point where she says that
614
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:06,300
basically your teachers going to
let you retake this test because
615
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:09,000
she saw how committed you are to
the Glee Club that you'd show up
616
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,400
in a dress and get beat up over
it.
617
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:15,700
But, you know, it was basically
the way that she delivered the
618
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:19,300
message and the whole thing
about both of us are badasses
619
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:20,900
and people think nothing hurts
us.
620
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,200
Yeah.
You know, I was sort of like,
621
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,000
you know, all overlooked the,
you know, sort of fuzzy logic
622
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,800
there to be like it.
Yes, You're doing such a good
623
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,900
job at this.
I'm like, yes, I believe this
624
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:34,400
this belief suspended.
I'm about it.
625
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,100
It's true like this.
I didn't think about it that
626
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:39,600
way.
I just totally bought it, but
627
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,400
you're right.
It is also kind of a little bit
628
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,500
wonky but yeah, I think good
acting really saved it, which
629
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,200
Yeah, I think speaks to no
offense to Jenna or Lea, but I
630
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,400
felt like I was just confused as
to how that all was going down.
631
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:58,200
Hmm, yes.
Can't.
632
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,500
Well, I guess no.
And I think obviously the
633
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,900
probably the actors in the more
dramatic problem.
634
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,300
You know, storyline had, you
know, probably a heavier load to
635
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:09,700
lift in some ways.
And this one, although obviously
636
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:12,300
doing impressions of your
castmates is never easy either.
637
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:16,600
I keep thinking about their
mannerisms and just dying is so
638
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,800
funny.
Although I will say, I did also
639
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:28,100
really appreciate the moment
where Beast walks into shoe and
640
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:30,000
Sue's meeting.
And says, I want to come with
641
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,200
you, and they noticed that she's
carrying a suitcase and she
642
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,200
announces that she left her
husband and it's like one of
643
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,800
very few moments to see where
shoe and Sue agree on something
644
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,400
and just looks on their faces.
Like, oh my God, you actually
645
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,600
did it.
I was like, oh, that gave me
646
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:47,500
again.
That gave me some cathartic
647
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:48,700
feelings.
I didn't think I could get from
648
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:51,700
Glee.
Three of these moments like
649
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:54,600
that, where I am grateful that
they kept some of the adult
650
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,700
plotlines.
I do think season 3 did the best
651
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:00,200
job.
One of the best jobs of like
652
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:02,500
balancing.
Like having adult storylines
653
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:06,500
that were impactful and
intertwined with the kids to
654
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:10,900
realize and didn't go too far
into fake pregnancy.
655
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Yeah, yeah.
Fuck off.
656
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,100
Yeah, too far into disbelief.
Yeah.
657
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,900
Yeah, definitely.
No, I definitely agree.
658
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:26,300
I think that I think season
three, they really found The
659
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:30,000
Sweet Spot of balance between,
you know, the adults and kids.
660
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,100
And, you know, obviously they
did have moments in future
661
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:38,600
Seasons where, you know, the
adult storylines were featured,
662
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,900
you know, in a good way, but not
quite at the same balance.
663
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:46,200
I think they had in this one.
Yeah, I think, I mean, but I'm
664
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,500
thinking like season for I feel
like the I don't remember much
665
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:54,200
about it but you know, fan being
quote, one of the adults I think
666
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:56,900
serves it.
Well, you know, that he's like
667
00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:01,300
in the adult storylines and it
makes it feel much more relevant
668
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:04,400
and interesting.
It was always hard for them to
669
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,500
do any adult storyline outside
of the kids that was, like,
670
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:12,500
actually made sense or like did
it wasn't just a one-off.
671
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,700
I'm thinking of like, The shell
being in that like acapella
672
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:20,100
group and stuff like that.
But basically served us to get
673
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:21,400
Puck on the show.
Yes.
674
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,700
Yeah I didn't even remember that
much.
675
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:28,200
So that's impressive.
He wasn't that embarrassing
676
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,800
archipelago.
Yeah.
677
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,900
The acafellas.
How could anybody forget that?
678
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,400
Don't fit in anymore and I only
remember that because I'm like,
679
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,700
well, that is a horrible pun and
now I'm never going to forget
680
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,000
it.
You know, it is Tariq.
681
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:42,600
Can't forget the worst pain
you've ever heard.
682
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:46,800
Okay, so the last kind of
storyline, I guess the see plot
683
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:56,100
in this episode is is a very
2012 thing where Wade / unique
684
00:38:56,100 --> 00:39:00,400
who is the lead vocalist of
vocal adrenaline, who Kurt and
685
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,800
Mercedes have encouraged to step
out and perform as their female
686
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,400
Alter Ego.
Unique is a sensation,
687
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:13,400
obviously, she's so talented and
Sue, who needs.
688
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:16,700
The Glee Club to win Nationals
so she can get the Cheerios
689
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,500
back.
Convoluted plot line is
690
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:22,500
convinced that the new
directions also need a
691
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:27,000
cross-dressing lead vocalist and
of course immediately Target
692
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000
skirt for this.
Yes.
693
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,600
Because of course, he's gay, why
wouldn't he be down for this?
694
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:38,200
Yeah, that one I can absolutely
picture myself being, you know,
695
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:42,700
when this came out 2012, so I
would have been about 20 years
696
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:45,800
old and Maybe a little bit less
experience with the world around
697
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,100
me.
I probably could have found this
698
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:51,800
funny back then but watching it
now and 2021 I'm like ooh that's
699
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:56,700
that's a little icky.
Yeah, I remember thinking that
700
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:59,700
the way they handled unique was
a groundbreaking at the time
701
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:03,600
which it still may have been.
And you see today watching it,
702
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,400
you're kind of like the he-she
comments and things like that.
703
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,800
Yeah, it's definitely fit into
the theme of using people as
704
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,600
props which Again the jokes
about when she says, oh, and I
705
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,600
ordered a bunch of little people
to come in and help us like
706
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:21,400
which I think they do show up in
another episode or something.
707
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,900
Oh my god, dude.
They, I think they do I unless
708
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:27,100
that was a strange theater
dream.
709
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:31,400
I had in the midst of, you know,
trying to read a script and also
710
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,900
suffering from a high fever.
I don't know.
711
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:35,600
That would be funny if they
didn't do that.
712
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,300
That would be funny because she
was like, I can't, I can't I
713
00:40:40,308 --> 00:40:42,600
already paid the deposit.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
714
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,300
Although I We'll say cuz I think
you know, I do agree that having
715
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:51,500
Alex Newell on the show.
I am presenting, you know, in
716
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:54,000
different, you know, gender
identities was pretty
717
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:57,800
groundbreaking at the time, you
know, I think they definitely
718
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,900
deserve credit for even just
broaching the subject, which I
719
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:02,900
think was a pretty Hot Topic at
that point.
720
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,900
But then, even seeing now,
because I'm also a big fan of
721
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:10,700
Zoe's extraordinary playlist.
Yes, and seeing Alex Newell, and
722
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:12,400
what they've been doing since
then.
723
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,800
You know, it's sort of like,
okay, I'm glad that they had
724
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,500
that springboard.
Yeah, yeah, sort of become who
725
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:22,000
they are now.
Yeah, and I feel like they've
726
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,000
come a long way.
I was kind of struck in these
727
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,800
scenes that like, Alex is acting
was kind of bad.
728
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,000
Is that judgy of me?
Did y'all feel that to?
729
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,500
I was like, oh, but just so
talented.
730
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:36,000
How can you even be mad?
Like, exactly.
731
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:39,400
No, it's also I remember
watching the Glee project but
732
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,500
that was a fun.
Yay.
733
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:44,300
And thinking the same thing, I'm
like, wow, killer voice.
734
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:50,400
But the acting But they knew
what they were getting.
735
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,500
I guess if that's the case,
right?
736
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:58,100
Right, yeah, so Sue's search for
someone to crossdress.
737
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:04,700
Also, she wants them to do
metal, grinding should do the
738
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:11,100
Flash Dance song, which, that
was ridiculous.
739
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:12,900
I don't know.
That's all I can say about that.
740
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:17,000
Really the best thing about
that.
741
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:21,400
Part was how much fun Chris
Colfer looked like he was having
742
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,900
does absolutely true making?
Those Sparks like having his
743
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:29,200
little moment with it.
Yes, it's cold for likes a bit
744
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,400
of danger, he's like throwing
stars.
745
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,600
Nunchucks Metal Sparks.
This is his alley.
746
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:39,700
Yeah but also just the way she's
trying to explain choreography
747
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:48,500
today.
Three, four, five, six.
748
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:57,200
Spark in time with the music?
Yes, it's like, okay, we'll try.
749
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,700
It was, you know, obviously the
premise itself was a little bit
750
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:06,600
crunchy, but I did love, you
know, just the trying to get
751
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,400
this most outlandish
choreography down, was that did
752
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,300
have me bawling my eyes out
laughing.
753
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,100
I mean is funny and like when
Glee gets those like funny
754
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:20,300
moments, yes.
Think they get him totally right
755
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,400
now.
They definitely when they, when
756
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,300
they make contact they hit it
out of the park.
757
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:27,200
Yes.
Well, it was like a so funny at
758
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,700
no one's expense.
Everyone got a funny one liner
759
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:35,500
like reacting to it.
Yeah, it was like it.
760
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:39,100
Hit that sweet spot for musical
theater nerds.
761
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:43,300
Like us of being a reference to
a musical and it was just, yeah.
762
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,400
Grab it.
I loved it funny.
763
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,100
Brittany line which like we
talked about often on here, like
764
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,300
some of the times Britney's
lines are genuinely funny and
765
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:59,300
some of them are like that's
like what are you trying to do?
766
00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:03,200
Like she jokes about things like
being raped at camp and stuff,
767
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:06,100
right?
Yeah, not funny but are saying
768
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:08,800
that like she took her mask off
because the scars are how you
769
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:16,600
get freckles.
And again, I can see why it's,
770
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,400
you know, a problematic line,
but then going into the Teachers
771
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,800
Lounge later and saying, well,
we're gay.
772
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:28,300
So, if you take this out as a
hate crime, yes, a classic
773
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:29,800
Santana.
I loved us.
774
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,800
So, well, I'm not completely gay
but I see what you're getting
775
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,000
at.
Just the deadpan.
776
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:45,700
Oh man.
So in the end the the drag /
777
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:49,800
props storyline as I wrote it in
my notes was kind of convoluted
778
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,500
because I don't know maybe you
guys understood more but I was
779
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:56,900
like, I said I was watching it
with my wife and Kurt's like oh
780
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:59,800
I have an idea but then what was
his idea?
781
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,600
Just to go film vocal adrenaline
rehearsing I guess and show them
782
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,300
the video that was it I don't
know.
783
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,100
And that leads to the prom.
I don't know.
784
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:12,500
I didn't really understand what
that was.
785
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:14,300
All about.
Someone help me.
786
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,800
What was the point?
Just vocal adrenaline's.
787
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,200
Really good.
So we need to get our act
788
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,200
together.
I guess, I don't know.
789
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:26,800
That sort of seemed to be the
impression that I got because
790
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,100
like, you, I was sort of like
that seems like a plot line that
791
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:30,800
didn't really go much of
anywhere.
792
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,700
Yeah, that was a, we need to
connect this scene to this scene
793
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:37,200
right now and they still weren't
sure how I laugh.
794
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:42,300
Occurred did wear a very dashing
sneak around outfit though as he
795
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:45,200
does.
So that was yes.
796
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:48,400
Measured in hard over here was
like all right, it's served, its
797
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,200
purpose very much James Bond,
always looking Suave no matter
798
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,500
what's going on even if it's
totally inappropriate for what
799
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:59,100
he's doing, always always an
excuse to wear a great outfit.
800
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:01,000
That's my guy.
Yep.
801
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:09,500
Yeah so in the end, Rachel and I
get to sing their duet together.
802
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:42,600
Nothing.
Anyone hears it, you're just
803
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,600
sinking in the empty.
What do you think?
804
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:45,800
Peter?
But they sing.
805
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,100
What a Feeling from Flashdance.
Bring that bring that around and
806
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:53,000
then they go to Nationals.
So I guess, you know, they do
807
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,500
actually talk in this episode.
I just remembered as I'm saying
808
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:58,600
that about the songs they're
going to choose which is like
809
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,600
the most foresight Glee has ever
shown them have for any
810
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,100
competition ever.
So and it was trying to
811
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:07,400
choreograph.
Yeah.
812
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,600
Then working on costumes ahead
of time and they actually think
813
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,700
of a set list for the coops
like, wow, you know, and they do
814
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:19,500
so well without with like
clearly, no shown preparation
815
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:21,300
before.
So you know, it's putting a
816
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:23,200
little effort, might change
things this time.
817
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,800
We'll see.
Okay.
818
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,300
Any any pot stuff?
We missed anything you guys
819
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:31,600
home.
I'm trying to think here.
820
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,100
Is it worth mentioning Puck get
his butt kicked?
821
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:37,400
He really did get fucking raped
this.
822
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:41,600
Stick Nelson has been such a
little side character this
823
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,200
season.
Yes.
824
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:46,300
And I will say that I did feel
bad for puck in this.
825
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:48,500
I'm like, oh yeah, or bastard
here.
826
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:56,300
I did, I did appreciate the fact
that puck is a character.
827
00:47:56,300 --> 00:48:01,900
I think has been through a lot
and I do think Glee was making
828
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:06,400
an honest effort to try and wrap
up his plot line, a little bit
829
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:11,800
and showing his growth and I
mean getting in a fight doesn't
830
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,200
seem like growth on the surface.
I don't know if in generally is,
831
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:19,500
but I was, I did have kind of a
narrative strong.
832
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,800
It where he gets back up and I
mean not when he draws the
833
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,100
knife, but, you know, he did get
back up and like wanted to, you
834
00:48:26,107 --> 00:48:30,800
know, didn't want to go out as a
loser, you know, he wanted to
835
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,800
prove to someone that he's not a
loser, not the right way to go
836
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,000
about it.
But I do think since the whole
837
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,600
show, like, started with him
throwing kids, in the dumpster,
838
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,900
Kurt specifically, the fact that
he got thrown in a dumpster kind
839
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:48,000
of here at the end of his
narrative Arc.
840
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,900
I think, was I think like never
what they were trying to show
841
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:55,300
some like It was a nice touch.
Yeah, I came full circle in a
842
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:58,400
way and I will say that.
It also showed some emotional
843
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,600
growth.
What he did his whole duet with
844
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,500
Beast, mmm, with me.
You know, this?
845
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:04,900
Yeah.
This is somebody who's not a
846
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:08,600
huge Taylor Swift fan, but that,
I think they got exactly the
847
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,300
right message with that song
where it's a little bit.
848
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:12,800
Like, yeah, you kick my ass but
you know what?
849
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,900
I'm moving on to bigger and
better things now and all you're
850
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:18,900
ever gonna be is, you know,
Rick, the stick, you know what I
851
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:19,800
mean?
Right.
852
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:22,100
Yeah, that's not like Rick.
The stick Nelson.
853
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:24,700
With getting out of Lima or
doing anything with his life.
854
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:27,400
Like who are you to call someone
a Lima loser?
855
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,700
My dude, dude, you've got a
mullet in 2012, get over
856
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:32,200
yourself.
Right?
857
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,900
Like what big future are you
gonna have a manager at the
858
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:37,500
Walmart?
Like, that's all you can hope
859
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:42,200
for having spent six years in
retail.
860
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,900
He is 100% that manager that
takes his job way too seriously.
861
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:52,100
Yes, definitely.
So, one of the notes I made was
862
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:58,000
just about the The storyline
where so wants Kurt to be in
863
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,900
Drag and I don't know the fact
that Blaine is not brought up
864
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:04,100
at.
All right.
865
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:11,000
It's like hmm this is entirely
on the more effeminate gay I
866
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
think from like Sue's
perspective.
867
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:18,500
Hmm, I don't know it annoyed me.
Yeah, I agree with that and I
868
00:50:18,508 --> 00:50:22,100
know she tried to chalk it up to
the oh, you were Sookie for
869
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:25,800
Halloween last year.
One, how would you know that?
870
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,300
But right now, so what, you
know, I think definitely, you
871
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:33,300
know, he says, the right things
like just because I'm gay
872
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:37,300
doesn't mean I'm, you know, down
to do this all the time, you
873
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:39,400
know, which I can respect.
But yeah, that was something
874
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,800
when I was watching I'm like,
oh, that's it's icky.
875
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:45,200
Yeah.
And the fact that blame doesn't
876
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,000
even really get any lines of, he
gets like half a line and Mike
877
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,600
some facial expressions.
Yeah out it and it's like Suze
878
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,600
home.
A phobia has been moderate to
879
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,100
mild all the time, you know,
like, she's always got something
880
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:06,000
to say to someone about their
sexuality and it's like, she
881
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,000
calls them porcelain and it's
just another thing.
882
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,900
Like, yeah, typical Glee.
There's always a plot line that
883
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:16,400
like actually concerns queer
people in the queer, people
884
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,900
don't get to discuss it.
No, like one throwaway line such
885
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:22,100
bullshit.
Yeah.
886
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:25,800
Especially with A queer
producer.
887
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,900
A queer creator of clear actor
for Sue, another queer actor and
888
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:34,100
Chris Colfer.
It's sort of like you know, I do
889
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:35,800
question.
You know what sort of
890
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,400
conversation was had in the
writing room or after that first
891
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,800
read-through it's like guys we
surely want to play this four
892
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,800
laps here because this this
doesn't sound right.
893
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,000
You know what I mean?
Yeah and it almost always is
894
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,900
playful absolutely doing
typically in like dancing all
895
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:53,800
around.
What could have been a good?
896
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:56,300
A point and not quite Landing
it.
897
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,200
Exactly.
Exactly.
898
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,200
And it's, it's sort of like it's
meant to be a joke, but she
899
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,000
plays it.
So seriously that it's hard to
900
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,600
take it as a joke.
So you know, there needs to be a
901
00:52:07,607 --> 00:52:10,700
balance there and they miss the
mark in this regard.
902
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,300
Yeah.
But also just see, I forget
903
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:19,500
specifically what she calls her,
but the, she makes an offhanded
904
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:21,300
racial remark in that same
sentence to.
905
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:25,900
I think it's Mercedes like she
calls Kurt, porcelina, and she
906
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:28,800
calls her something else.
I forget what it's something
907
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,100
about her skin color, all right?
But I was like, ooh, yeah,
908
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:34,200
that's like where the hell did
that come from?
909
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,800
Yeah.
Suze like nicknames for the kids
910
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,000
or like never like it's always
just straight up.
911
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:46,500
Liang like yeah.
But they again like try to do
912
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:49,500
the self-aware thing in the
episode where, like, while their
913
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:56,400
body swaps, Matthew Morrison as
you know Sue says something
914
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,500
about Tina that's kind of racist
and then the response is that's
915
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:05,500
kind of racist so right right.
Not looking it doesn't make it
916
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:07,500
not true in all the other
scenes, you do it too.
917
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:09,300
Yes.
And doesn't make it okay for you
918
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:11,800
to keep doing it.
Yeah, right.
919
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:13,800
Yeah.
It's sort of like, I don't know
920
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,600
who gave you the permission
here, but this is gonna sit in
921
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,100
that.
Right with some people, I've
922
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:20,800
been to believe that some of
those people are also not the
923
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,700
demographic for the show, but at
the same Time, you know, if
924
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:26,400
you're looking for a theater
audience, that does tend to be
925
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:30,400
open-minded, but also has a big
queer demographic.
926
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,400
Then it's sort of like, you
know, to what extent are you
927
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,400
alienating.
The people that you want to sit
928
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,000
down and watch every week, you
know what I mean?
929
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:40,800
Yeah.
But they did what they did and
930
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:43,100
that we're not doing it anymore,
I guess.
931
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,400
And at the time I think a lot of
the perspective was ugly is the
932
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,200
only show on TV doing this
right, split, right.
933
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,100
Yeah.
Watching it.
934
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:52,800
Almost a decade on, it's like
me.
935
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,500
Well, you're not the only one
doing it now.
936
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:59,800
And here are the problems.
What is a picture is helpful but
937
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,700
only you know, to an extent does
it?
938
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:05,500
You know, to what extent?
Is it outweighed by problematic
939
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:06,800
representation?
Yeah.
940
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,500
So true.
It's like, Glee was like the
941
00:54:09,508 --> 00:54:13,800
crumbs that we had at the time.
Oh my God, to be, we kind of had
942
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,500
to be happy with it and it's
like yeah I don't even think at
943
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:23,000
this point, you know, the terms
like non-binary were even in
944
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,200
common vernacular, I don't even
know if transgender would have
945
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,700
been to some extent.
I'm sure but like not like main,
946
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:32,800
you know, this was really the
first kind of at least like I
947
00:54:32,808 --> 00:54:36,200
said in my experience seemed
like the first kind of iteration
948
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,400
of putting this on prime-time
television.
949
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:43,600
Television and on Fox, no less.
So, yeah, definitely.
950
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,900
Like we had to be happy with it.
That's actually, that is
951
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:50,800
something that I find that, I've
studied a little bit about this,
952
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,600
because I find it fascinating
about it is, you know, trans and
953
00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:57,300
gender non-conforming
representation in the media.
954
00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:01,200
And really at this was one of
the first representations that,
955
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:07,200
you know, was not, you know,
either play for Laughs or was
956
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,000
not like the out, Deranged
villain because, you know, it's
957
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,500
great that well no, it's not
great but you know, up until
958
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:17,300
then you've got who do you have
Buffalo Bill and Norman Bates?
959
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:20,600
And it's like well, you know,
but it's also not necessarily
960
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,300
played all the time for tragedy.
Obviously we see unique
961
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:27,100
struggling with her identity and
with bullying and things like
962
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:29,300
that.
But it's also not, you know,
963
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,200
Transamerica or Boys, Don't Cry
where it's all about, you know,
964
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,400
eventually somebody getting
beaten up or killed for who they
965
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,900
are, you know what I mean,
right?
966
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:43,000
That's true.
I got really deep on a podcast
967
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,800
about Glee.
I did not expect this, you know,
968
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:51,100
sometimes I know I did Glee's
the one that started talking
969
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:54,300
about things like domestic
violence and school shootings
970
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:56,900
and where the yeah, they started
it.
971
00:55:58,100 --> 00:55:59,500
At least a grassy.
Never pretended.
972
00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:05,400
To be a musical comedy track.
I mean, I mean that if they did
973
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,600
I miss that episode.
Okay, well, I guess all there's
974
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,300
left to do so About our
favorites here at the end.
975
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:14,100
Did you guys have a favorite
song?
976
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:49,500
Definitely, Tina solo.
Because you love me.
977
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:59,300
Yes, I would probably also say
Tina solo for being obviously
978
00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:02,900
showing off a great voice that
had not been used as prominently
979
00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:05,400
as it had previously.
So definitely Tina solo.
980
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,600
I would go with.
This wasn't like some episodes
981
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,700
of Glee or just like non-stop
back-to-back song.
982
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:15,900
Yes, I didn't feel like one.
Yeah.
983
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:19,100
So even like at the what I was
like making my notes trying to
984
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:20,900
think.
What song is my favorite?
985
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,800
It's kind of like my Them were
like super fun.
986
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,200
Yeah, I definitely appreciated
Jenna's solo, just more the
987
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,500
Unicorn that have is in the Glee
music catalog.
988
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,900
Agreed, there was no Don't Stop
Believin in this one right?
989
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,200
You know, I will say I did
really enjoy mean just for the,
990
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,500
you know, one because it's like,
oh Beast is singing.
991
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:47,900
That's doesn't happen much, but,
you know, also, I thought, you
992
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:50,100
know, the point they were trying
to make it pretty well.
993
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:54,100
So, you know, but agreed, I
gotta go with the solo number on
994
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:56,500
this one.
Yes, because you loved me.
995
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:59,200
Yeah.
I as I, after I asked you guys,
996
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:00,900
I was like, wait, what?
Even are the songs in this?
997
00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:03,600
Is there really aren't that
many, there's only four.
998
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,200
Have to verify with myself
because like I said, true, yeah,
999
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,200
there's only four.
So yeah, I got to agree with you
1000
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,300
guys Tina's solos.
Definitely the best one.
1001
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:13,700
I will say.
The Flashdance.
1002
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:17,200
What a Feeling was fun to listen
to Performance certificate.
1003
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,200
Just inspired.
Yeah, but that was fun that they
1004
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,000
did that little nod to
Flashdance.
1005
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:25,200
Yes.
Okay.
1006
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:31,300
Favorite lines.
Oh, and I had one and I just
1007
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:32,300
lost it.
Come back to me.
1008
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:36,700
Okay.
So I've I gotta say like for
1009
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:41,900
the, the funny Factor Brittany
and her delivery of the freckles
1010
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:45,200
line, I can't see this helmet.
I took mine off metal spikes in
1011
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,000
your face, is how you get
freckles and just I don't know.
1012
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,700
I maybe that's what I didn't
remember.
1013
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:52,100
Like much about that saying, but
it actually made me laugh.
1014
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:54,000
So that one's got a win.
Yes.
1015
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,200
Also Beast In the scene where
she's holding the knife.
1016
00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:03,400
I don't know, just like
everything about, but that yes.
1017
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:08,000
Just like a special.
Honorable mention for me, you
1018
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,300
know, I would say yeah,
definitely, the Beast lied about
1019
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:13,800
again.
I'm going to butcher the exact
1020
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,700
wording but it's if I can't
taking you back.
1021
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:18,300
What does that say?
About me is definitely the most
1022
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:22,000
poignant.
And then also Sue has a really
1023
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,500
quick, you know, just throwaway
line where it's Beast asks, if
1024
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:31,900
she can come to Chicago with
them and Sue says, you expect me
1025
00:59:31,908 --> 00:59:34,000
to share my room.
I have an executive maternity
1026
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,600
Suite.
You don't want to wake the baby.
1027
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:39,900
Yeah, just the way she says it
was perfect.
1028
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:45,800
Yes, I forgot about.
That's funny.
1029
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,400
It's just the quickest little
thing.
1030
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,300
At the end of that immediately
gets overshadowed by be saying,
1031
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:54,600
she left Cooter.
Which again, I don't know where
1032
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,100
the name comes from but cougar
the recruiter.
1033
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,500
Sure, let's go with that.
We had something else in my high
1034
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:03,700
school.
I don't know, I know.
1035
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:05,200
Yeah, no definitely.
No.
1036
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,000
We've decided they picked it
because it Rhymes in his there.
1037
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:13,300
Tupid, I will say my little
claim chipper heart, I forgot
1038
01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:15,500
this was the episode where they
do the.
1039
01:00:15,500 --> 01:00:17,700
They show them
trick-or-treating, which is like
1040
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,000
such a piece of gold back in
2012.
1041
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:25,500
We were so starved for any claim
content, it felt like there was
1042
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:29,000
more here than I remember
feeling like there was before,
1043
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,600
but I did not expect it.
Be in this episode.
1044
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,500
And so and it came on I like
screen.
1045
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:40,600
I like that's because what a
like Little slice of like what a
1046
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,500
thing that says so much about
those two people as characters
1047
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:46,800
that they're in high school
going trick-or-treating and
1048
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,600
elaborate Halloween costumes but
that's clearly handmade.
1049
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,100
And it just made me really happy
and I didn't expect that.
1050
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:58,800
So both of their lines are just
ridiculous in that scene and I
1051
01:00:58,808 --> 01:01:00,100
love it.
Yeah.
1052
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,300
I because I am the dinosaur that
still on Tumblr.
1053
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:07,100
That is one of the only things
that makes its way across my
1054
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:11,600
gosh.
Every like, oh, like no matter
1055
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,900
how rarely I see Glee stuff on
there anymore.
1056
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:17,400
Somehow someone is going to
share that.
1057
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,100
Yes, I love it.
I love it and it's also just
1058
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:24,300
sort of like I mean maybe I'm
only speaking for myself here
1059
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:27,800
but you know being 17 years old,
as I think they're supposed to
1060
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,000
be in that scene, my mother
would not have permitted me to
1061
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:30,900
trigger.
That point.
1062
01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:33,600
So I'm like, oh just having
somebody to, you know, make
1063
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,900
these ridiculous costumes with
and hold hands while we go
1064
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:40,000
trick-or-treating at at the age
of 17 was like, yes, this is
1065
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,700
what I want in life.
Yes.
1066
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:47,200
Yeah I know just such like a
sweet like it's innocent, right?
1067
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:48,600
Exactly.
Yeah.
1068
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,700
Just like having fun for the
sake of having fun and like
1069
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:55,100
something like dressing up,
elaborately such a thing that
1070
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:56,900
makes sense for both of them as
characters.
1071
01:01:56,900 --> 01:01:59,300
And it's like yeah we should
have seen more of this all the
1072
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:03,200
time like they should I've had
enough Chris Colfer himself
1073
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,700
actually is like really famous
for his Halloween costume is
1074
01:02:05,707 --> 01:02:07,400
actually Darren Criss is a
little bit too.
1075
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,200
So yeah, little Glee is not a
documentary moment, I guess.
1076
01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:13,900
Okay?
So the last thing is our Coulda
1077
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:18,100
Shoulda Woulda.
So, What do we wish that had
1078
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:19,400
been different?
This episode?
1079
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:24,400
I would have wished that some of
the I think some of what we were
1080
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,600
talking about there that the
language and representation
1081
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,200
around the queer, people should
have been a little bit more
1082
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:34,500
tactful, but knowing that Glee
is what it is.
1083
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:36,500
Perhaps.
That's a that's a little too
1084
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:38,200
pie-in-the-sky.
Mmm.
1085
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:43,200
Mine is pretty buying this guy
to considering like that.
1086
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,100
They were never going to
actually do this but that It had
1087
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:52,100
like Jenna Tina storyline.
I'm did with her like
1088
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,500
backtracking and supporting
Rachel and she had actually
1089
01:02:54,500 --> 01:03:01,800
gotten like yes yes I'm read.
What about yours be?
1090
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,700
Yes, I got ya.
I got to say.
1091
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:10,800
I agree with that too.
I feel like there was such a
1092
01:03:10,808 --> 01:03:16,200
strong start to Tina storyline
and it I hate when storylines in
1093
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,500
with but Rachel very special and
that mountains like that's just
1094
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:24,200
a always been an annoyance for
me and this one particularly
1095
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:28,700
ending up that way when This
should have been a point for
1096
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:32,900
Rachel Berry to like learn a
lesson for real in her life and
1097
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:36,200
annoying.
Very annoying, definitely.
1098
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,200
It was a moment that could have
been her being taken down a peg
1099
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,400
that would have been very
cathartic.
1100
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,500
I think for a lot of people but
you know what it is what it is,
1101
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:48,500
we didn't quite get it, that's
okay.
1102
01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:51,300
They're so there's so much more
that's going to happen to around
1103
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:53,100
that storyline.
That's gonna bother me even more
1104
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:55,900
so.
Well, you've it okay.
1105
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,600
Okay so the Kevin mix scale is
our is our rank out of five on
1106
01:04:00,700 --> 01:04:07,700
how much Kevin shines in this
episode, Kevin McHale a lot to
1107
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:15,000
do in it but he does have a
ponytail so yeah hilarious so
1108
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:22,700
maybe like a 1-1 Kevin 20% Kevin
okay one out of five it slides
1109
01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:24,100
is good.
One is bad right?
1110
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:27,900
Yeah exactly five Kev.
This is like he's got the a plot
1111
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:32,300
and a solo and gotcha.
So we go from there.
1112
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:34,400
Same thing with the, the cleaned
X.
1113
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,900
So that one's out of 10 for
funsies.
1114
01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:41,700
So 10 is like they kiss.
And they soloed saying at each
1115
01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:44,600
other and they had a plot line
where they, you know, and other
1116
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,800
one is like, I don't know.
They were there.
1117
01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:52,200
This one's hard, because do you
count the body swap time as
1118
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,300
claim?
Ooh, I mean if we count what But
1119
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,600
Huck and fended portraying claim
writing.
1120
01:04:59,700 --> 01:05:01,800
That's pretty high.
Because I mean, we got some
1121
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,600
like, full-on cuddling in the
choir room.
1122
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,000
Yeah.
There were two different dates
1123
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,200
featured in this episode.
They went trick-or-treating
1124
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,100
together and they were at the
mall together just hanging out
1125
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,300
because to me it's like we are
talking Finn together.
1126
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:18,700
Is there a couple named pin or
is it?
1127
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,100
It's definitely fuck.
It's got it.
1128
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:23,200
Okay?
Just making sure No, I think
1129
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,700
Tumblr probably called it pin
because you couldn't find
1130
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:28,400
anything if you look and was
100% shit.
1131
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,900
Fuck.
Yeah I would say if fuck counts
1132
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:36,900
is clean, then you probably
could put it a little above
1133
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:41,300
five, maybe a sex or so but
otherwise I'd be hard-pressed to
1134
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:42,400
put it over a three.
Maybe?
1135
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,200
Okay.
So maybe we compromise would
1136
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,700
call like a for-sure middle.
Yeah.
1137
01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:50,400
Till then you can't ya because
it's debatable.
1138
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,600
It's true plane versus fuck you
decide.
1139
01:05:57,700 --> 01:06:00,800
Well, the body swap is so hard
to because it's like is it just
1140
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,700
the actor playing a different
character?
1141
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:04,800
Or is it like the actor being
the character playing?
1142
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,000
The other character?
Like, how deep does it go?
1143
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,200
I don't know.
What if he giving lie too?
1144
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,900
Much credit to think they put
that much.
1145
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:15,800
Yes.
No, you're absolutely correct.
1146
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:22,600
Oh, anything else we missed
anything else.
1147
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:28,100
You guys want to add?
Let's remake a movie on Spotify
1148
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:29,800
or anywhere you listen to your
podcast.
1149
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:30,900
That's right.
Yes.
1150
01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:33,900
Shawn is been such a fucking
Delight to have you on.
1151
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,500
We gotta have Blackie here.
Yeah, I would love to and I'd
1152
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:40,300
love to have you guys on to do a
movie mashup.
1153
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:42,500
I know we've been discussing
some sort of musical version
1154
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:46,700
perhaps of Silence of the Lambs
but we'll talk to fix ya.
1155
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:49,800
A little little teaser guys, you
should go follow let's remake a
1156
01:06:49,808 --> 01:06:52,800
movie because you might see some
familiar names and voices on
1157
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,700
there.
Soon making a fun Mash.
1158
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:59,600
Yeah, I noticed you guys haven't
done many or any musicals yet
1159
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:05,000
but you know, keep keep some in
mind where your resident of your
1160
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,800
well, and you, of course, as
well.
1161
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:10,900
Of course, it seems like there's
not enough of your your
1162
01:07:10,900 --> 01:07:13,400
influence, you know what?
Shawn next time you guys do an
1163
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,600
episode that I wanted you like,
but what if it was a musical?
1164
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,100
Like I think that should be your
thing.
1165
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:24,200
No Pitch Perfect with something
absolutely amazing.
1166
01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:29,300
Something about in college.
Yes, I am literally at.
1167
01:07:29,300 --> 01:07:32,300
So one of my co-host is Laura,
I'm literally at her house right
1168
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:33,600
now.
So I'm going to walk out this
1169
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,900
door and tell her what I deserve
more credit, but to way to do
1170
01:07:36,900 --> 01:07:38,800
Pitch Perfect with something
because that is brilliant.
1171
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:43,600
Yes, you will have two very
excited listeners waiting for
1172
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,400
that.
Definitely so excited for it.
1173
01:07:46,500 --> 01:07:49,500
Alright, thank you so much for
being with us today.
1174
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:51,900
Sean awesome.
My pleasure, thanks for having
1175
01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:53,600
me.
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1176
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,700
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1177
01:07:56,700 --> 01:07:58,300
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1178
01:07:58,300 --> 01:08:01,400
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1179
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,100
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1180
01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:07,100
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1181
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:11,200
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1182
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,600
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01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:20,000
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01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,500
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1187
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