Glee on the Rocks: S5E7 - Puppet Glee

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Like, no shade to Fred Astor and
Ginger Rogers, but like I'm not,

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this only works as a lesson in
the way that she doesn't pay

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attention to the universe.
You're listening to Glee on the

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Rocks.
OK Welcome back to Glee on the

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Rocks, a fandom on the Rocks
podcast.

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I'm Emily.
I'm Bea.

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And I'm Allison.
And this is Season 5, Episode 7

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Puppet Master.
Oh boy.

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You know the episode that
totally makes sense.

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I've never actually I had before
today.

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I had never actually seen this
episode in its entirety.

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I had totally manifested it via
Tumblr osmosis.

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Not I'm actually really glad for
that.

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Like, well, this is the whole
like, I like I was thinking

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really loud earlier today.
This is the entire point of Glee

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on the rocks.
Yeah, introducing new people to

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the insanity of Glee.
Especially after we've tapped

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out a little bit.
Yeah, I do have to say, these

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songs came out of absolutely
nowhere.

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Oh.
Yeah, these are insane.

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It was.
It was.

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Random.
It's truly an experience.

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So the quick rundown is Blaine
believes he has the best plan to

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win nationals, but the other
club members thinks he's too

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controlling.
The members of Kurt's Kurt's

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band disagree over the venue of
their first gig and Sue gets in

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touch with her feminine side.
This episode aired November

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28th, 2013.
I do have a confession before we

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get started.
I didn't hate this episode as

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much as I thought it was going
to.

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Oh yeah.
Tell us more.

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Well, to OK, so a plot.
Blaine's right.

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He is he is the the longest
serving member.

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He is the most winningest.
They're not paying a.

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Senior for 17 years.
Yes, he's he's won the most

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trophies.
He shouldn't even be in the

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school anymore.
He's a super senior, he served

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on the Warbler Council and they
should give him the benefit of

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his his experience.
And also I'd be really curious

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to see if any of the rest of
them can actually hold up a solo

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at nationals.
Yeah, So, yeah, I, I, I mean, I

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don't know.
Why aren't they paying attention

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to him?
They're not doing anything.

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They're just digging around in
the choir room.

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Even shoes not showing up.
And they're like, just like

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clowning on him, like, oh, let's
wear matching.

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Blazers.
Well, maybe you should.

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Maybe you should.
You don't come up with your

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costumes until Day of.
The Warblers know what's up.

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They keep their shit tight.
That's right.

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And they win What?
What's the problem here?

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He is a winner, so I he I don't
see the problem honestly.

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They could get him on dance.
I would not say that he would

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provide the best choreography.
But he can step touch like the

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best of em.
He can, he can so I and then

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'cause we'll have to come back
to it.

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B plot.
There is actually a whole

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conversation about like power
and femininity and why people

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aren't taken seriously or what
you, what you do or do not have

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to look like to be taken
seriously in a position of

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authority.
That's important, and Sue's a

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great avatar for that.
Especially as we start talking

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about gender presentation and
what that means for like

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everything and it, yeah, it's so
little to do with like how you

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identify and so much more to be
with.

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Like what's your vibe?
Like what?

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Just the power play and the the
lack thereof sometimes.

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'Cause there's even worse
storyline that comes along about

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gender presentation that goes a
little off the rails when it

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comes to past and press.
So I don't know, I think it's an

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interesting, it's the right
character to do it with because

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Sue has always been a strong
character who has short hair and

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minimal makeup.
Like she doesn't have to wear a

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dress.
Who gives a fuck?

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So I don't know, I like these
storylines for this episode and

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they kind of fit together.
Sometimes the story like the A&B

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are like they try to mesh them
together and you're like, what

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do you stop it?
And these ones work.

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Kurt tried to be a leader,
Blaine tried to be a leader, Sue

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is a leader, and getting kind of
shit down on made sense to me.

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I wish they didn't have to
encase it in the most ridiculous

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like.
Now why there were puppets like

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no.
Not every single song and scene

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where the puppets was silly, but
a good 90% of it was like very

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silly.
And I was like, yeah.

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The now now throwing puppets in
is the annoying part and we have

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just not added puppets.
Like the dream sequences I love.

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Like I love when Glee has a
kooky like make excuses to have

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cool like song and dance
numbers.

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I got no qualms with that.
I.

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Love the body swap.
Episode is still one of my

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favorite things Glee ever.
Like experimentally.

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I really think if they hadn't
ended on What does the Fox say?

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I think I would have been
happier with it overall.

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Like I just feel like you jumped
the shark already and then

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you're just going to jump like 6
more sharks at the end.

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Like I was kind of on.
Board with the silly puppet

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thing and then you just like
made Lia Michelle saying what

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does the fox say?
And I just I had to tap out.

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It it's such a bad song too.
What?

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The fox say what the fox say.
It's just it's uniquely

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terrible.
And we should, we should still

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talk about it because it's it's
bad on purpose.

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And according to the trivia on
the wiki, it's not even the song

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they were originally gonna sing.
The trivia?

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The trivia said it was gonna be
We Can't Stop by Miley Cyrus.

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I'll take it.
I mean, good song, but it would

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be very kids Bobby.
Yeah, yeah, maybe Miley was

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like, no, thank you.
Yeah, she's like a no.

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No, I don't.
There was no citation for this,

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so I don't know if this was, you
know, rumor on rumor or someone

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heard from their cousin on a
bike, but I don't know.

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I mean, the Fox was like a
pseudo popular song at the time.

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So of course Glee was like,
we're going to do it.

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Right.
Like they did Gangnam Style,

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Like there was no real reason to
do it except it was charting.

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Yeah.
And they were on Fox.

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Yeah.
No truth.

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So there's there's that synergy.
But yeah, so I guess, you know,

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plot wise, we've got Blaine who
I, I don't know if what's his

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face was just busy that week,
but Mr. Shu is stuck in his

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actual class.
But you know, they're however

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many weeks out from Nationals
and Blaine's like, we're still

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going to, we're still going to
do the Glee club to prep for

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Nationals, which means coming up
with the set list and the vibe

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and the costumes and the
choreography, because God forbid

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they have a plan before that.
But Blaine's idea is simple.

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No guitars, no electronics, just
a piano arrangement that he

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would play himself, obviously.
And I mean, frankly, I don't

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think it's particularly show
choir.

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I I don't mean like just based
off of, you know, my deeply

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limited understanding that I've
mostly learned from B listening

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to this podcast, but that just
sounds like a like a Blade

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Anderson concert, which sounds
great, I would, I think.

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You would win them points cause
the audience would be

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captivated.
And then he would do a stirring

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rendition of Teenage Dream
acoustic version and we would

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all cry.
And then the judges would just

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award them the points so that
they can go home and feel some

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feelings.
It would be Teenage Dream

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Nationals version that's right
to get the record sales.

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Absolutely.
But I, I, I, I don't know why

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the directions is so against
this.

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I think it's opening strategy.
Because they're against it for

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the plot, I guess, so that they
can call him.

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What are they?
So they call him Deja Warbler

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because it would be a repeat of
the the Warblers to do acapella.

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What else do they call him?
Everyone's kind of talking over

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themselves.
They call him Blaine Zhong

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Illinois.
Blaine Zhong Yil.

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Yes, Blaine.
Zhong Oh, yeah, Tina goes off on

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playing John.
I'll.

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Yeah, as if she didn't have her
own entire plotline about being

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a dictator during the prom
episode.

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Right.
Or she was like, completely in

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control and kind of a jerk.
But this is where he's like, I'm

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not trying to be bossy.
I just want, like, can't you

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give me the benefit of my
experience?

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Which is completely valid.
But they are very pissed off at

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him and he has a little sass
storm out of the choir room to

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take a seat outside and have a
little a little pouty session.

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This is like the sassiest.
Blaine has been in a while.

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I liked it.
I was kind of into it.

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I love Sassy Blaine.
Like that was like my first

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note.
It was like Sassy Blaine.

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Yeah, building.
I thought it was deserved.

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I mean, a little, yeah, I don't
like it, but I like it in a way

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that's like, yeah, it's Glee,
Kitty says.

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Wow, look like someone's man
strating.

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Yes.
And I'm like, OK, it's funny.

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It's also weirdly transphobic.
It's still a little funny, but

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it's really mean.
And that's.

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Glee.
That's Glee.

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That is the the ethos, the
tagline, the pathos that is

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all-encompassing.
Like it's funny.

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It's kind of terrible, but I I
laughed.

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But yeah, you would never say it
to someone in real life.

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Absolutely not.
Like, like if someone said it on

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Twitter, you would block them.
Correct.

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So over over in in the New York,
the band currently known as

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Pamela Lansbury are having an
emergency session because Kurt

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has booked their debut gig at
the Greenwich Village hotspot

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Callbacks.
And the rest of the the band is

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annoyed because it's a Broadway
hotspot and they don't like the

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venue because they don't think
it's a good spot to launch from.

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Is this?
Is this not also the venue of

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the famed Teenage Dream acoustic
version?

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So that's what I thought.
I think the lighting was very

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similar.
He did as callbacks that it was

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featured a lot last season, but
they haven't really talked about

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it much.
I definitely thought this was

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the season 4 Teenage Dream
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Sad.
I think it is.

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So I would have thought Kurt
would have been like, I can't go

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there.
Sad.

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The scene of the crime.
Yeah, I.

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Can't return the crime?
You're not wrong.

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But no, instead it's that it's
not cool like the Mercury

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Lounge.
Like the Mercury Lounge isn't

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gonna book you?
Yeah, exactly.

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That's what the I'm thinking the
entire time they're listing off

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these like these like quote UN
quote little indie clubs.

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And I'm like no, no, no, no, no.
Maybe in 2013 you could have

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attempted.
Maybe you're.

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Not you're not getting in there.
You're not getting in there.

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Like, absolutely not.
This isn't this is not happening

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like you need to busk on the
street.

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First, even like these places
are booking out months in

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advance for shows.
Oh yeah, you need to open for

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someone who's already like on
SoundCloud and they so now they

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are a Madonna's greatest hits
cover band, which I don't think

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we knew previously, but Kurt
Kurt's really trying to be the

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leader here and the rest of his
band is a little rebellious

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about it.
But this does cue us into into

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the groove at callbacks or I
guess a dream sequence at

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callbacks.
Yeah, not entirely sure, but I

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think it's a dream sequence.
Yeah, for sure.

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The vocals are Kurt and Elliott
heavy, which is kind of

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interesting when you have
Santana and Demi Lovato for a

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Madonna song.
But it's cool.

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It's like a fine song.
I think this is what's gonna get

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me kicked out of of.
Maybe not out of Glee put into

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Glee prison, but certainly put
into clean prison.

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I didn't love Kurt's vocals
here.

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No, there, there's a lot of
Kurt.

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Haters in in Glee fandom, you're
not going to get.

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Kicked out?
Yeah, You're, you're fine.

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I just, I just to love Kurt
unconditionally.

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Yeah, honestly.
Like I just, I, I really tried

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to be on his side here and I'm
like, Hon, is this in your

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arranged?
Because it's like something

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something's off.
It's a little.

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So dirty with that though, like
you know.

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This is not his best.
But I do absolutely love the

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their outfits.
The bright yellow.

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The bright yellow, he's like
looking like Pavarotti, the

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Canary going on stage right now.
And of course when when Elliot

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comes in, when the girls come
in, it sounds lovely.

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I love all of their little
harmonies that pop up

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everywhere.
So as a as a scene, I really

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like it.
I don't know if this was

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intentional, but later on,
Blaine is also wearing yellow

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pants.
It's very.

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Intentional.
The wardrobe department was

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holding it down for clay.
They always, they always were.

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So just, you know, shout out to
the wardrobe apartment when it

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comes to Clayne.
And Speaking of Clayne, there is

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a a clean phone call.
There's several clean phone

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calls in this in this episode.
And it's Kurt picking up the

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phone and being like, oh, it's
my fiance.

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I do love AI, do love a good
side by side.

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Little a split screen phone
call.

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And I doesn't blame like this is
like Kurt picks up the phone and

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and goes, can I just say Glee
club sucks?

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He does.
He opens it with Glee.

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The club sucks.
Like, you know what?

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You're right, Blaine.
You know what?

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You sure can, absolutely.
You can complain about this

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because he's complaining that
they're turning on him for being

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a puppet master and they're like
having two different

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conversations because Blaine is
like, everyone hates me.

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They think I'm controlling and
Kurt's like, you should come to

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my show.
So they're not talking over each

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other 'cause they got two
different things going on.

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And you know, Klain can never be
100% happy.

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But that's not the point here.
Doesn't Kurt call him a puppet

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master?
Yeah.

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Sorta like, I don't think, I
don't think it's like, you know,

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you're a puppet master.
He's just kind of like me.

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Introduces the phrase.
Introduces the phrase, and

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Blaine takes that to heart.
Blaine takes it.

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My fiance called me a puppet
master.

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Like Sir, were you listening to
your fiance perhaps?

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Neither of them were listening
to each other in this.

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They were very focused on
themselves, 'cause Blaine's

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like, I can't believe anyone
could see me as controlling.

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Like, I mean, like, yes and no.
Yeah, like contextually in

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throughout the entire show.
I mean, we could talk about your

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time as the Warblers.
We.

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Could talk about it.
I think the Warblers enabled him

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like they were just like, yes,
you can be controlling because

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you're amazing and you win US
competitions so great we just

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elected you dictator.
Is that controlling or is that

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forceful?
Is is he bossy or is he the

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boss?
Yeah, exactly.

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Is he just right?
Or is he just loud?

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Is he just loud, you know?
Well, it's not that loud.

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Actually, no, he's really not.
He's got a soft little voice,

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yeah, But yes, Kurt's the one
who just introduces it, and

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Blaine takes that into his gut.
Yeah.

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So I guess CC plot is Sue and
Principal Figgins, who is still

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the janitor, buffing the floor
in the middle of the school day,

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which is probably a safety
hazard.

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For sure, 100% it is.
That's that's going to be slick.

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The school board is coming to
evaluate McKinley because they

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might elect to install Sue as
permanent principal.

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I don't know anything about
school boards.

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Couldn't tell you if that's
actually how that works, but

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it's Glee, so sure, why not?
I don't think anybody should

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ever be permanent anything
personal.

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I don't, I don't know how
principals happen in schools.

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I don't know if it's Aptai,
don't know if it's the

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Superintendent.
I don't I, I don't know.

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I wanna say I'm and I'm just,
I'm, I'm guessing real hard

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here.
I wanna say cuz a principal

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would have to go through the
same interview process as

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anybody else right?
I hope.

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So I'm guessing.
It is that she was interim

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principal in there deciding if
she can be principal principal.

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Yeah, like full time principal
as.

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Opposed to trying to hire
someone else, yeah.

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Yeah, 'cause I think the
principal would report to the

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Superintendent as they're like
direct report.

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So I imagine that the school
board would be kind of on their

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list of can't like other list of
like people who get to interview

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the principal candidates.
But I mean, like, it it, it

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makes enough sense that I'll
just be like, yeah, all right.

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I'll take it.
These are more or less the right

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people in the room.
Like I don't need to worry about

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the semantics.
It is kind of a bummer that we

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didn't get to see like an
interview process with weirder

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principal candidates like.
That would have been fun.

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The worst people in Lima vying
to be principal.

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All the different like teachers.
Yeah, Oh my God.

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Shoe.
Yeah, shoe or like a variety of

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guest stars that should like the
biggest names in 2013, you know.

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Christian Chenoweth.
Yeah, she's like.

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April Rhodes, baby.
April Rhodes, who was Rachel's

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mom.
Idina Menzel Hi, So I definitely

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adopted a baby from one of your
students and then had a vaguely

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romantic on again off interest
with another one of your

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students.
But definitely let me come back

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and be in charge.
Yeah, fine.

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Both of those students
graduated.

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Whatever.
They're not here anymore.

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There's no conflict of interest
whatsoever.

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And her birth daughter is also
not graduated.

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So like, she's fine, you know?
I think it's chill.

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Yeah.
So and I, I don't know, it was

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kind of hard to catch
everything, Sue said.

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But I did like that her, I mean
like is a is doing a lot of work

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here, but her new caning policy
has dropped absences down to 0.

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You know what that that would
probably work.

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I imagine it would work, yeah.
Not that we approve of corporeal

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punishment.
Absolutely not.

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Phantom on the rocks.
In fact, we say no to that.

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Please don't.
Don't bother your kids like.

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Don't do it.
Don't do that.

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Isn't it shitty that for things
like this, nobody asks the

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students what they want?
Like, Oh yeah.

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No, no, you don't get to like
give your boss a performance

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review.
That's so annoying.

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Like why is the world set up
like that?

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It just keeps shitty people in
power.

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It's like nobody's asking the
kids like, hey, has Sue been a

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good principal?
Like maybe they would tell them

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about the caning boss, you know?
You know, like it's.

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Like, yeah, our test scores are
up because we're fucking afraid.

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Yeah, I'm terrified every day,
but yeah, I'm here.

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I'm here, you know.
I cry every night, but I'm here.

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But that's The thing is that if
the school board is worried

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about truancy rates, they're not
going to take the feelings of

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the students into account.
They're just going to take the

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the numbers into account.
Yeah, they don't care.

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They.
Don't care.

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They don't care about your
feelings, they just care about

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the numbers.
And this week on education in

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America, on the rocks.
That's every time we do this

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podcast, we're always talking
about that.

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Oh my God.
It's an important.

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Topic And this whole show is set
in a fucking school, both in New

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York and in Lima.
They're going to college.

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Yep, it's important, and it's in
a way.

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And it's another thing that Ryan
ET al Clearly did not do any

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research on.
No, not at all.

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Before they started writing the
script.

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No, no.
And then so, so this kind of

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dovetail, this isn't dovetailing
this, this scene kind of morphs

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into the school school board,
you know, saying they're going

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to be back in a week.
And we've got Superintendent

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Harris, who is divorced, asking
Sue out for a beer.

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And he's like a couple of the
guys are going out for a beer,

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just a couple of dudes hanging
out.

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And he clearly just sees Sue as
one of the guys.

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And for some reason Sue later in
another scene, Sue is like, I've

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had a crush on him.
Like since when?

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But OK.
And this kicks off our plot of

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Sue feeling like she's not
feminine, which is interesting

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'cause I don't.
Has this been an issue for her

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before?
I feel like it's only because

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it's not serving her now, right?
Yeah.

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She's like, I had a crush on
this guy and he thought I was a

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man, therefore he could not be
attracted to me.

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So now it's getting in the way
of my sexual conquest, of which

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she has many famous sexual
conquest.

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Exactly.
I need to be more feminine to

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bed this guy.
Like that's what it really felt

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like was her motivation.
And it went deeper than that.

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Later, sorta.
But yeah, never really.

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She got married to herself in a
ball gown tracksuit so.

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Yes, I married myself once, but
I don't think it was legal.

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And she who was the guy at the
the news station that she really

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liked?
The anchor guy.

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The anchor guy, she never had
any issues about her looks for

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him.
Right.

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And she called him.
Cooter, yeah.

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Cooter.
Cooter, but they had a thing.

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He was fine with her gender
presentation.

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And so she kind of flashes back
to becoming a teacher in 1986

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and trying to present as more
feminine, but not getting any

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respect from the students coming
to to school in she was in a

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skirt suit.
This This woman had long, curly,

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beautiful hair and a pink lace
blazer.

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An icon?
A legend?

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Sue Salfester.
I actually feel like that outfit

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would have hit in the 80s.
Absolutely.

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I I feel like the students would
have just been like yes ma'am,

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but I mean it's ATV show so
like.

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Fascinating.
Fascinating to bring up.

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Like she changed how she dresses
and acts to win respect of

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students or fear.
Win respect through fear I

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guess, and she doesn't seem to
have regretted it over the last

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20 some odd years until right
now. 30 until right now that she

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couldn't hook up with a guy.
It's just very.

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Interesting this one dude
especially 'cause this is kind

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of what I liked about this
episode, only in that the way

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women have to present in the
world is so fascinating to me.

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Like I am fascinated by the the
different kits for the Olympians

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and how much skin female
athletes show versus the kits

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for the male athletes and
women's gymnastics and what the

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floor routines have to look like
and what they get judged on

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versus the male athletes.
And how that started back in the

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early 1900s.
And that it was more of a look

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pretty and feminine and dance
for US versus like, what are

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your skills?
And over the entire life, entire

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humanity of how women have to
present to be respected, looked

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at or not looked at.
And Glee takes about 10 minutes

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to have it in their show.
I, I want it in the show because

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it's, it's so important.
Obviously they can always do it

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better.
Because she has this line of

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like, the moment I put the
tracksuit on, the world bowed

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before me.
Because people take men more

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seriously.
But if you look too masculine, a

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whole different set of people
are going to come after you.

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And it's fascinating.
And you know, I don't know that

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I'm certainly not researched
enough to dive into the

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psychology and the of it, but I
think about it all the time.

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And it's interesting the time
and place in which this episode

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was made versus now as well.
Like, Speaking of the Olympics,

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I feel like there's been a lot
of gender essentialism bullshit

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about like, what makes a woman
and what's when do you cross a

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00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,040
line to like, no longer being a
woman?

453
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,280
And like, that wasn't really
part of the conversation when

454
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,800
this episode was made.
Or even the Season 6.

455
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,160
Plot line that we're alluding
to.

456
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,440
So it's very interesting to see
like what parts of it they kind

457
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,480
of pull out and give time and
energy to.

458
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,760
That's why I've been, you know,
but it's Glee.

459
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,280
So it's like people are
constantly popping up with like

460
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,840
there's this really important
thing to me that I've never

461
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,440
talked about.
It has never been a part of my

462
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,680
characterization before.
So like I kind of, I just kind

463
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,720
of wish that this plot line had
come up for Sue differently,

464
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,280
like.
Yeah, totally.

465
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,960
In a way that was maybe more
consequential or?

466
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,080
Not centered around like.
And just some random guy too.

467
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,520
I'm like, what is this guy?
Like he just showed up in this

468
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,280
episode.
Like it's not like, yeah, but I

469
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,520
love the like the flashback and
stuff and like seeing her the

470
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,720
way she used to present super
feminine to now.

471
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,480
And like, I totally agree with
you.

472
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,160
It's, it's a real kind of
footnote or like, you know,

473
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,920
example, a great like example of
like that time in history in the

474
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,680
80s.
I mean, women could just barely

475
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,760
have like credit cards and like
they just still had an outlawed

476
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,200
like marital rape and things
like that.

477
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,400
So it's like women were still at
a very vulnerable point in

478
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,720
history.
And for her to take power,

479
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,800
masculine energy and power at
that time is like pretty

480
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,840
revolutionary.
Maybe when you're saying

481
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,240
something about like, you know,
3rd or 4th wave feminism, like

482
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,960
now you need to go back to being
feminine to something something.

483
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,760
I don't know then.
You're like put.

484
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,760
It not that deeply.
Were they saying that?

485
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,640
It's probably.
That they say that or did they

486
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,000
just want an excuse to put Jane
Lynch in in a pink outfit as

487
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,320
opposed to a red outfit?
Totally.

488
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,240
Like, yeah, did they just wander
in a wig?

489
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,880
Like, was it also an excuse to
do the like whole Sushu fantasy

490
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,160
sequence?
Was that absolutely, absolutely.

491
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,800
The see sequences, We gotta tee
up a Sushu 'cause they don't get

492
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,120
enough.
No, I kind of loved this.

493
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,960
I mean, cause so at the end,
kind of closer to the end of the

494
00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:00,200
episode or part way through,
she, she was like doing whatever

495
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,200
the fuck in the in the choir
room.

496
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,400
He's practicing his his what the
what do the gymnastics call it?

497
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,840
The Wolfspin.
OK, I can't, I fucking hate the

498
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,360
Wolfspin so I can't get into it.
He's he's twirling.

499
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,120
He's twirling.
He's twirling and Sue's like

500
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,480
when you dance you first.
She calls him an oddly feminine

501
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,960
man, which I don't agree with.
But like, OK, she's like, when

502
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,120
you dance, somehow you're able
to maintain your manliness.

503
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:35,080
So she's come to Shoe for like,
advice on how to be some, to be

504
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,480
more feminine, but maintains,
who knows, basically for dating

505
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,280
advice about the Superintendent,
right?

506
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,560
And Shoe goes into this speech
about Ginger Rogers and Fred

507
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,560
Astaire, which I don't think
fits the scenario.

508
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,000
It's really just to tee up them
doing cheek to cheek.

509
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,760
Right.
He brings up like, oh, well,

510
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,000
Ginger used to lead backward in
heels, so you had to lead

511
00:27:59,000 --> 00:27:59,880
backward in heels.
I'm like.

512
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,800
Yeah, like women.
Women can lead backwards in

513
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,440
heels.
Women can still lead in heels.

514
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,640
Like, well, shouldn't it be that
we shouldn't have to feel like

515
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,920
heels are important, like.
Women can still lead, even under

516
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:21,480
the additional burdens placed
upon them by the patriarchy, and

517
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,000
can still look as though the man
is still in power.

518
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,520
Yeah, like shouldn't.
Work.

519
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,680
Is that the point of this?
Shouldn't.

520
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,840
Like no, she did for the
Sergeant Rogers.

521
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,040
But like I'm not, this only
works as a lesson in the way

522
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,080
that she doesn't pay attention
to the universe.

523
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,000
Like shouldn't we not have to
make men feel like they're in

524
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,280
charge while we lead them
around?

525
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:49,080
Like OK but but kind of love the
the hallucination scene.

526
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,920
We have jumped because we've
skipped Blaine's hallucination.

527
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,160
We have jumped over the fact
that there is a gas leak in the

528
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,000
choir room.
Oh yeah.

529
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,880
And so people who go sit in the
back corner of the car of the

530
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,760
choir room start to hallucinate.
And she Sue hallucinates

531
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,760
performing cheek to cheek with
shoe because they are OTP.

532
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,600
That like again not in AI, think
this should have happened in

533
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,120
Canon kind of way, but in an
alternate reality of Glee.

534
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,680
Yeah.
How?

535
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,720
How cool would it have been if
you know, we're in season 5 by

536
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,840
now and it's shoe that Sue has
the crush on?

537
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,880
And it's like, how do I, you
know, we have this banter and

538
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,400
this relationship, but I'm so
scared you don't like me because

539
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,760
I'm not girly enough for you.
What do I and talking about and

540
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,080
introducing femininity in that
way about you know, you already

541
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,040
like me, but am I is the reason
that I can't get over this hump

542
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,480
because I'm not feminine enough
for you?

543
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,480
Am I not feminine enough?
And then having a whole

544
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,200
conversation about, well, what
is femininity and what ways can

545
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,480
you present femininity and you
know, etcetera, etcetera.

546
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,160
And like all the but and then,
you know, they can dance cheek

547
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,640
to cheek because that's
adorable.

548
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,560
But in my heart, it's it's more
complicated than what it is.

549
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,080
Yeah, of course it is.
And that would be more.

550
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,760
That would be too fun because
Emma's like not even on the show

551
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,640
anymore, so.
She has a wife, whether or not

552
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,800
she's, you know, living her
dreams or accidentally marry the

553
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,960
dentist or is being kept in the
attic.

554
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,440
Yeah, Emma, marry the dentist.
I don't know what's happening

555
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,560
here, but yeah.
So there's cheek to cheek.

556
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,960
It's a fun song.
It's cute.

557
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,240
You know, this is an episode
where the songs just like are

558
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,400
all over the place.
But yeah, that's if we if we

559
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,840
stick with with Sue.
The school board comes back, I

560
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:53,360
guess a week later.
And Sue, is she she dressed

561
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,200
differently.
I've forgotten.

562
00:30:54,200 --> 00:31:00,360
Now she leads the the the school
board on a tour and, well, we

563
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,000
have to go back.
We have to keep going back.

564
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,160
We have to keep going back
because Sue has gone to Unique

565
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,680
for help to look more like a
lady.

566
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,320
Because her best gay is in New
York, right?

567
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,520
Because her best gay is in New
York, despite the fact that Sue

568
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,680
has been horrible to unique in
the past with the whole bathroom

569
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,440
thing.
But I guess we just forget that

570
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,560
because now Sue needs help.
So I guess that's fine because

571
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,120
Unique is like ready to help.
I do really appreciate that

572
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,960
Unique is being brought in on a
conversation about gender

573
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,480
presentation.
Yeah, because she's the one

574
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,480
where.
Easily left her out and again.

575
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,760
She is the one that it makes
sense to bring in on like Kurt

576
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,240
is not the one that that would
fit.

577
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,200
No.
Unique is the the choice here.

578
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:54,240
So Unique does step up and help
because she's a better person.

579
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,880
So I guess, you know, Sue gets
all dolled up and Superintendent

580
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,160
Harris apologizes to Sue for
overlooking her more feminine

581
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,440
side.
But like, who cares?

582
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,400
Like that some some lipstick and
a dress should not change your

583
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,840
entire outlook on somebody
because that's not what Sue's

584
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,200
going to look like all the time.
Sue is going to be in her

585
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,680
tracksuit all the time because
that's her comfort level.

586
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,120
But she shows them the choir
room and but Figgins like jumps

587
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,080
out of nowhere to be like
there's a gas leak and it's a

588
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,720
result of Sue's failed
leadership.

589
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,800
But Sue is a step ahead and she
has fixed it because she knows a

590
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,520
fantasy induced dance sequence
when she sees one.

591
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,440
And she seems to be the only
one.

592
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,720
She is the only one in the
school who who knows that

593
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,080
they've been hallucinating and
that they're going to make her

594
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,000
permanent principal.
Sad to say goodbye to Principal

595
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,080
Figgins, but as long as Figgins
is still on campus, I don't

596
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,640
mind.
Yeah, he is always Principal

597
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,640
Figgins.
So she does ask Superintendent

598
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,800
Harris out on a date and
unfortunately he says no all.

599
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,520
That just for him to say no.
I mean.

600
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,120
Don't change yourself for a man.
Yes, don't change yourself for a

601
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,520
man.
Come on now. 100% I kind of hope

602
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,720
that that was the intended
lesson of the episode.

603
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,680
Right.
She needs to be like the the Sue

604
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,840
that makes Sue happy.
Yeah, What's the Aladdin?

605
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,640
Be yourself.
Be.

606
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,240
Yourself.
Yeah, I need her to have that on

607
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,640
a poster in her office.
That's.

608
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,160
That's the way it works.
Back to Blaine.

609
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,800
Back to Blaine, I think you mean
back to Brad.

610
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,800
Piano Brad.
So I actually I this was funny

611
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,960
because Blaine kind of storms
into the choir room in his

612
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,480
yellow pants.
But the real star of the scene

613
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,080
is piano Brad, who speaks?
You're early.

614
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,000
Jeez, Brad, you scared the crap
out of me.

615
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,160
Warn me before you talk.
I love it, Brad.

616
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaks and Blaine has a little
heart attack and he's like jeez,

617
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,600
Brad, warn me before you talk
and.

618
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,640
Brad Brad is having a real rough
time.

619
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,080
He's having a bad week, he owes
money from online blackjack, his

620
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,880
house is getting foreclosed on
and and Blaine is not hearing

621
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,480
any of it because he is in 23
clubs.

622
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,679
He should have been a prom king
and his fiance called him a

623
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,800
puppet master and all he is
doing is encouraging people to

624
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,600
reach their full potential.
So he's just going to sit down

625
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,600
and shut up because that'll send
people a message.

626
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,840
Gurr.
Gurr arc.

627
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,320
So he sits down and that's when
he gets the gas leaking into the

628
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:42,280
choir room and has his which
This is the first gas induced

629
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,800
fantasy sequence because he
opens his eyes and and puppet

630
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,920
Tina is yelling Blaney days at
him.

631
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,080
I had a little acid reflux about
that because I hate it.

632
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,320
The Blaney days, specific Blaney
days.

633
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,240
Me too.
Yeah, it's so.

634
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,720
Why?
But the puppets, the the Glee

635
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:05,240
club puppets are all just
fawning over him and telling him

636
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,000
that the week's lesson is about
the most inspiring guy they all

637
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,040
know, Blaine.
And there's.

638
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,960
Whoosh and they start singing.
You're my best friend.

639
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,000
Which I loved this number.
It's a great number.

640
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,040
I think the star kid training
really helped.

641
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,200
Oh yeah.
Where get this man in a Muppet

642
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,280
movie?
Why has it?

643
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,280
Oh my.
Oh yeah, Darren Criss been the

644
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,720
main character of a Muppet movie
he's born to play.

645
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,520
It really is.
Like.

646
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,960
I it's one, it's one of the
things that like the the key

647
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,560
element to a great Muppet movie.
So there's the Michael Caine

648
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,280
School of Muppet Movie, and then
there's the Tim Curry School of

649
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,720
Muppet Movie.
And Michael Caine is great

650
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,480
because he treats all The
Muppets as fellow actors.

651
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,120
And Tim Curry is great because
he considers himself a fellow

652
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,760
Muppet.
I'm I'm guessing Darren's in the

653
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,280
Muppet category.
I don't know.

654
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,920
I think Darren would be in the
Muppet category, but I'm not

655
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,520
sure and it would be great
regardless.

656
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,560
I want it.
Blaine is definitely in the

657
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,160
Muppet category, I guess.
Darren Jury's still out.

658
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,480
Well, we'd have to find out.
Yeah, but Blaine is 100% a

659
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,160
muppet.
He was like even his gestures

660
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,320
and like his expressions.
I was like, Sir.

661
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,960
And like, it's the it's the
Muppet head wobble.

662
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,960
Yes.
With the mouth open, that's the

663
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,360
one.
You know, we hate to give him

664
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,360
credit, but like, it's real
good.

665
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,200
It was real good.
It was really good.

666
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:32,040
My only problem with this scene
and the overall vibe of this

667
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,040
episode is that I felt like they
really cut it in the middle.

668
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,160
I would have loved to see them
like hit really strong either

669
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,120
one way or the other.
Like it would be a really great

670
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,920
episode of Like Sesame Street
where Blaine learns lessons

671
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,480
about friendship and leadership
from the from the puppets.

672
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,040
Right.
Or really turn up the getting

673
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,440
high part.
Like.

674
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,200
Really just crank that up to 11,
just really let that ghastly go

675
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,080
'cause they kind of cut, they
kind of walked that line in the

676
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,760
middle and I would have loved to
see them commit one way or the

677
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,560
other.
Down either way.

678
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:08,640
I love that.
I was.

679
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,560
I was complaining about the
episode going too far and

680
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,400
Allison's like it's not far
enough.

681
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,160
It's not far enough, but it I.
Mean that makes sense too,

682
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,520
though.
Like, if you're just gonna go

683
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,720
for it, go for.
It no, it's true.

684
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,920
You can't couch commit to the
bit.

685
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,240
Yeah, commit to the bit.
Well.

686
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,400
I mean, there's a reason this is
nobody's most beloved silly

687
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,240
episode of no, Like there are so
many silly episodes that are so

688
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,000
beloved.
And this is, I know it's not on

689
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,000
anybody's list of their most
beloved silly episode.

690
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,000
So I think Allison's right.
Like one of the things.

691
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,480
So I think it's really important
context both for this podcast

692
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,720
and for my notes, my beloved
fella, my beloved husband, who I

693
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:51,000
have spoken about at great
length on Pack Dynamics.

694
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,280
He's a puppet.
Oh my God, puppet husband.

695
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,280
Oh, we'll get there.
Puppet husband.

696
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,440
But he was sitting on the couch
during almost this entire

697
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,680
episode.
No context.

698
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,880
It'll, it'll come back around, I
promise.

699
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,400
And so the it's not just the
shame of the puppet episode, but

700
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,440
it's the shame of the puppet
episode with my husband on the

701
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:22,000
couch next to me.
And so I had to couch this whole

702
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,440
episode be like, look, it's bad.
But these are really good actors

703
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,760
and I had, and it was during
this You're My best friend

704
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,440
number that I was like Emmy
Award winner Darren Criss, Emmy

705
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,200
Award winner Darren Criss, Emmy
Award winner Darren Criss.

706
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,560
Yep.
Like.

707
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,960
Yeah.
Because.

708
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,800
This was this was him in a
sweater vest and the gel MIT and

709
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,520
singing with puppets.
And I was like, OK.

710
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,200
Yeah, that sucks.
But it it, it gets more

711
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,080
interesting.
So we'll keep, we'll, we'll,

712
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,040
we'll circle back to the fella.
OK, so worried about what he

713
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,440
said.
Yeah, I was about to say, uh oh,

714
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,320
his commentary.
So Blaine wakes up, he's been

715
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,320
zoned out, everyone's just super
mad at him for missing class,

716
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,760
which like did no one wake him
up and be like, man, Blaine's

717
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,520
passed out in the corner.
I.

718
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,320
Guess that's how pissed off they
were at him for being bossy.

719
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,600
They're like.
They they were not happy with

720
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,120
him.
So we also have we also have

721
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,480
Jake, who also is in his suck
era.

722
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,000
He.
Is working with the Cheerios on

723
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,920
choreography, I guess because
Sue isn't paying a choreographer

724
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,800
and he's mad at them because
they are not dancing good.

725
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,280
I don't know.
They seem fine to me, but he's

726
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,120
like, I can't, you guys suck and
I can't be bothered to keep

727
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,360
wasting my time.
He's just on a tirade because he

728
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,000
ruined his own life like that's.
He, yeah, he fucked.

729
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,160
Up and now he's taking.
Out everybody else, he's bitter

730
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:51,280
about his breakup and yeah.
He's being a grumpy boy, so he's

731
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,160
he's being a a Dick who has a
guest been sleeping with all of

732
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,240
the Cheerios.
Idiot 'cause.

733
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,000
They're like.
I don't know, They're 17.

734
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,040
I don't know what the STD rate
at the school is but I feel like

735
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,440
it's gonna be pretty high.
And this it like, so Bree is in

736
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,920
this like group of Cheerios and
she gets really like mad and

737
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,600
upset that he's like getting
into other girls.

738
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,520
And this is the logic that
confuses me 'cause I have seen

739
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,960
it in real life and I have seen
it in fiction.

740
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,400
Ma'am, he cheated on somebody
else with you.

741
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,160
You, you don't get to get mad
when he cheats on you with

742
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,800
somebody else.
Like you knew what you were

743
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,920
getting into, my good dude.
Word drives me, drives me, just

744
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,560
makes me so grumpy.
It really does.

745
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,840
I know I was like, girl, you
started it.

746
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,320
And like, she's going through a
lot right now and also.

747
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:51,760
Yeah, and also, you started it.
Shu wants Jake to get to have

748
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,400
him help the Glee club get their
dancing together.

749
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,560
And Jake's like, Nah, I'm good.
Some of you suck, the rest of

750
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,120
you won't try.
So I'm just like, not going to

751
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,080
do this, which is the opposite
of Mike Chang, who is like, I'm

752
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,280
going to help everybody.
Oh, Mike Chang.

753
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,680
I guess Mike Chang's direction
just did not stick with the new

754
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,480
directions or they got too many
new people all at once because

755
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,120
he also helped the Glee club
dance.

756
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,280
So I don't know what happened,
but Jake also has a little huff

757
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,280
in the corner of that of that
gas and his hallucination is

758
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,800
nasty.
Rhythm Nation.

759
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,960
Nasty.
A nasty boys I don't.

760
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:35,720
Do anything nasty.
Boys nasty a nasty boys I don't

761
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:46,240
ever change.
His hallucination confuses me a

762
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:50,920
little bit because the Cheerios
dance with him, but Marley is

763
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,920
also singing and the students in
the hallway are watching.

764
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,720
So is he hallucinating the
students watching and Marley's

765
00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:59,040
singing with him?
I think.

766
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,920
He.
Passes out in the Glee club in

767
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,040
the like, choir room and then
wakes up in the choir room.

768
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,720
So he just yeah, full.
He wanted everyone to pay

769
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:11,440
attention to him because Blaine
just hallucinates like puppet.

770
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,760
Blaine's hallucination is
centered solely on himself and

771
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,960
people like praising him.
Jake is like, I want everybody

772
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,400
in the school involved in my
hallucination.

773
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,240
I'm going to attempt to be to
give Jake a little.

774
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,960
I'm not going to give him
credit, but I'm going to attempt

775
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:35,320
to give the writers credit.
Blaine's fantasies and like

776
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,880
hallucinations are about himself
because that's his like plot and

777
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,760
purpose.
This episode is that he's like

778
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,480
he's being really selfish and
not participating in the team

779
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,200
and doing whatever and is
looking to get justified with

780
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,600
that.
Whereas Jake is afraid that all

781
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,800
of his dirty laundry is being
aired to the entire school.

782
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,240
I.
Can get into that.

783
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,760
He well, that's what it that's
what it said to me.

784
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,080
It's like Jake is singing.
He's like getting up and grindy

785
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,520
with all of the Cheerios and
then he has this like singing

786
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,120
fight back and forth with his
like ex-girlfriend and his like

787
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,080
new hookup and like and it has
an audience.

788
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,360
And so like from a writing
perspective, I'm gonna gross

789
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,440
that.
Like that's what they were

790
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,000
trying to say, but I don't know,
maybe they just wanted a

791
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,760
different location.
No, I'm into it.

792
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,880
He's also like trying to get
back with Marley at this point,

793
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,920
right?
Yeah, he does.

794
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,640
He wants to.
Get back with him, yeah.

795
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,600
And this and well, he wants to
get back to with her after Bree

796
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,280
comes at him saying that she's
pregnant.

797
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,720
I.
Hope that was crazy.

798
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,160
The fuck That was crazy.
Long live the Puckerman legacy.

799
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,360
Knocking up Cheerios.
Knocking up Cheerios, she does

800
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,080
follow up several days later
saying that she's not pregnant.

801
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,680
Which you never took a test.
She was just like, I'm pregnant,

802
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,000
come to the doctor with me and
then just kidding, I got my

803
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,400
period.
Yes I I assumed that she was

804
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:03,200
lying to him because she sucks
and I really was not interested

805
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,400
in her.
Like shit talking Jake like she

806
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:13,680
isn't an asshole and was such a
Dick to Marley and everybody

807
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,080
else in the Glee club.
Her calling him toxic.

808
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,560
I was like you're toxic.
What is happening in this

809
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,200
conversation?
Oh yeah, she's the one who like,

810
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,000
peeled him off of Marley in the
first place.

811
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,560
Yes, I was like, what is going
on?

812
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,440
Like no, I will not be party to
this.

813
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,000
I feel like she was just like,
oh, I have the upper hand now,

814
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,080
so I'm just annihilate you with
my words.

815
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:40,920
Yeah, I was really annoyed by
that.

816
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Like.
The end of Bree?

817
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,880
I hope so.
The wiki says that this is her

818
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,680
last episode.
Oh hell yeah.

819
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,400
I know.
She's just been a a sad

820
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:55,440
facsimile of a Santana and like,
at least with Kitty, you had

821
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,840
like a different angle of being
the mean girl.

822
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,120
Yeah, I have it down in my notes
here.

823
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,360
I just really wanted them to say
the word abortion.

824
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,200
Yeah.
Yeah, like come with me to the

825
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,680
doctor.
Like, like, no.

826
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,840
If you're what, two weeks
pregnant?

827
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,840
A week pregnant?
No, what you're the word you're

828
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,480
looking for is abortion.
That's the word you're looking

829
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,240
for.
But I also had Puckerman 2

830
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:22,080
versus Santana 3.
Come with me to the doctor to

831
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:22,600
do.
What?

832
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,760
Yeah, like there's, there's not
a whole lot that a doctor can do

833
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,880
for you if you're looking to be
pregnant at like 2 weeks.

834
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:33,120
Mm Hmm.
There's really nothing they can

835
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,480
do.
Go to the pharmacy and get you,

836
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,080
yeah.
Now did you?

837
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,480
Even take a test.
Yeah, I just, but yeah, no, I

838
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,960
definitely agree with you.
It's it's it's Puckerman 2

839
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,400
versus Santana 3.
Even her like again, the little

840
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,040
head wobbles and the pigtail and
it just the whole thing, I was

841
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,800
like, oh, look, it's Santana.
Like, no it's not.

842
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,480
That was this whole thing was so
annoying and like, yeah, so I'm

843
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,600
glad.
I'm glad it's the end.

844
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,200
Goodbye.
Yeah.

845
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,920
So then then Jake tries to get
back with Marley and Marley's

846
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,040
like, no thank you, I'm not here
to fix you and I don't feel the

847
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,360
same way about you anymore.
I don't know that that's true,

848
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,080
but she does tell him no thank
you and goodbye, which is good

849
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,480
for.
Her for making a choice.

850
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,240
I feel like in a lot of this
love triangle situation, it's

851
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,800
been more about like who's
showing her attention?

852
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,640
So now that both guys are
showing her attention, she

853
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,360
actually did make a choice.
So good.

854
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Good for her.
Totally.

855
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,600
Marla, some agency is great.
Puckerman definitely did not

856
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,120
deserve to get back together
with anybody after his behavior.

857
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,840
What did he really learn or grow
in this situation?

858
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,520
Nothing.
I'll be interested to see if he

859
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,640
has any more plot lines in this
show at all because I'm like

860
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,600
what?
OK.

861
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,320
And that's.
The whole briefing I feel like

862
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:56,120
was the writers just wandering
off into the distance and losing

863
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,880
track.
Yeah, yeah.

864
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,400
Which is really annoying.
I know it just feels like wasted

865
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,920
time when there could have been
way more like New York

866
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,880
storylines with Niata.
Like we're not even at Niata

867
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,080
anymore in New York.
This whole string of episodes,

868
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,280
Like it's all about the band,
which is fine, but like there

869
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,920
could have been that.
There's just time wasted on

870
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,360
these characters that are so
inconsequential in the overall

871
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,280
arc of Glee, and that makes me
sad.

872
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,080
Yeah, it.
Yeah.

873
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:28,400
I mean, no one would argue that
Season 5 was Glee's best season.

874
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,560
There are reasons the ratings
were just like, And there's some

875
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,040
really good music in some of
these.

876
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,680
I mean not here, but in some of
them.

877
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,640
I have hope that the back half
of the season will be better.

878
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,040
So I guess we have Blaine.
We're crossing all our fingers

879
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,280
that the back half of the season
will be better, yeah.

880
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,680
I mean, the next episode is
previously unaired Christmas, I

881
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,320
mean.
We're about to hit rock bottom,

882
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,480
so hopefully it's up from there.
I just this is the string of

883
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,960
episodes, much like Allison,
that I did not watch.

884
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:02,520
Like I saw the gifts on Tumblr
and we we had spoilers.

885
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,520
And if they were like, yeah,
there's not that much going on

886
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,320
this episode that I'm going to
like I just said, skip, no,

887
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,280
thank you.
So trying to trying to have

888
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,080
fresh eyes, fresh eyes, maybe
after we hit Robert, are we

889
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,080
going?
To watch that episode.

890
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,120
Previously night or Christmas?
Jesus Christ.

891
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,000
I mean, I guess we gotta, I feel
like we have to it's.

892
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,160
Just so once again,
inconsequential.

893
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,640
Waste of time.
Waste of.

894
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,720
Of.
Screen time, yeah, just throw

895
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:31,800
away.
I think it's really important

896
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,560
for you guys to know that I
don't know what you're talking

897
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,840
about, which I think means I
hope to watch it.

898
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,120
Oh.
No, Allison, OH.

899
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:43,880
No.
I'm so sorry I was missed.

900
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,680
I was out by this point, guys.
I was out.

901
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:48,040
Like did you know about the
puppets?

902
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,760
Like you had some idea of this
episode?

903
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,080
Puppet Master.
There, I knew about that.

904
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,680
There was a puppet episode.
Yeah, but like.

905
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,520
I know you never saw a GIF of
previously honor Christmas

906
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,040
because that's how horrible it
is.

907
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,000
Oh my God, I'm so excited.
I mean, now you you have to.

908
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,800
I.
Think I do?

909
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,800
Oh man.
Oh boy.

910
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,880
It's like a it's like an
abomination.

911
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:13,720
We'll.
Get there.

912
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:16,720
When we get there, it's like,
I'm sorry, you just you did not

913
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,440
just drop the a word, the whole
word the.

914
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,160
Whole list of a words.
I know, I know, I know.

915
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,240
I shouldn't have used it.
I'm sorry.

916
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,720
Abomination is a word that we
hold in reverence, Emily.

917
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:30,480
On pack dynamics, I know for.
Yeah, of course.

918
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,880
Yes, I know.
I'm so sorry.

919
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,920
I'm so sorry.
We'll get there.

920
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,480
When we get there, it'll be.
Tune in TuneIn next week for

921
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,080
whatever rock bottom and Glee
looks like.

922
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,960
OK, OK, I bet even I've tuned
out how bad this is.

923
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,400
OK, going back to the current
episode, we gotta go back to

924
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,960
Blaine, who is the star of the
show and we're doing dirty.

925
00:49:55,720 --> 00:50:02,160
He has had his first nightmare
and he goes to art class because

926
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,640
they have art class now.
And apparently he's very good at

927
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:12,800
it because there's your standard
art teacher who I kind of like,

928
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,160
honestly, I, she feels like the
kind of art teacher who is just

929
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:20,040
so sick and tired of these kids
that I'm not sure why she's

930
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,520
still working.
Maybe the health insurance she's

931
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,320
like.
Two years to retirement hanging

932
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,440
in there.
Yeah, got a got a pension, baby.

933
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,600
They have been learning about
yarn for three months that

934
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,240
Blaine wants to make.
That's what he says, no, I know

935
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:39,440
my yarn for three months.
And he wants to move on to Felt

936
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,800
because he wants to make a
puppet of his fiance.

937
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,960
And he does.
I think in 40 minutes, like

938
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,600
however long the period is, he
makes a perfect Sesame Street

939
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,800
puppet out of the contents of
that classroom.

940
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:01,000
And then he strolls down the
McKinley hallway, giving himself

941
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,720
an apology from puppet Kurt,
which is incredible.

942
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,200
And we need to talk about
puppets because Mandy couldn't

943
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,680
be with us today.
But Mandy is a huge puppet fan.

944
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,240
So I actually, I went to Dragon
Con with Mandy literally a

945
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:20,560
decade ago and her and Mav both
volunteered with like the puppet

946
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,400
track and like knew all these
puppet people and are like big

947
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,640
fans of Jim Henson puppets.
Like big puppet fan.

948
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,400
I really wish she could have
been here but she's sick.

949
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,360
We miss you Mandy.
And as our resident puppet

950
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,640
expert Mandy said, these puppets
are bad and creepy.

951
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,960
But they are just spitting
images of our beloved Glee club

952
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,800
members.
You know who loved these

953
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,320
puppets?
The whole fucking cast.

954
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,280
I had forgotten how much behind
the scenes content there was

955
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,640
with the cast, with these
puppets until I was on the Glee

956
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,880
wiki and I was like, Oh yeah,
they took this puppet thing to

957
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,680
the NTH degree.
They had interviews of the

958
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,160
puppet talking Kurt.
Chris did a whole thing where

959
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,400
puppet Kurt was like talking
shit about Chris.

960
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,840
Yeah, Yeah, he did Like they
they were really into these

961
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:10,280
puppets.
We.

962
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,600
Had the best fucking time with
these puppets.

963
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,480
You know what?
I'm glad they had fun.

964
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,200
At least there's, I mean, I I
think by this point the cast had

965
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,800
lost their minds, yeah.
Maybe there was a gas leak on

966
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,440
set?
Yeah, they're just rehearsing,

967
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,520
recording music, showing up to
another shitty storyline.

968
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:30,600
At least I got a.
Puppet.

969
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,440
At least I got a fucking puppet.
I I just think they were a

970
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,280
little out of their minds at
this point.

971
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,240
And we're like, if this was
something new and they, they

972
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,480
just kind of, they broke a
little bit.

973
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,080
Yeah.
But it, it, it, it, it worked.

974
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,000
So he's, he's wandering through
the school talking to himself

975
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,640
and puppet Kurt.
And Sue is in the the hallway

976
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,800
trying to walk in high heels and
bumps in and falls over or she

977
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,760
bumps into something and falls
over and Blaine helps her up.

978
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:04,280
And they have this re
interaction and she's like, I'm

979
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,960
sorry if my femininity threatens
you.

980
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,600
And she is rightfully disturbed
by the puppet.

981
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,520
Did you just touch me with a
puppet?

982
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,600
I think that would also be my
reaction.

983
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,160
And she later says, like, get
your hand.

984
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,760
I don't want your hand up any
butt other than a human.

985
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,480
If I catch you with your hand up
the butt of anything that isn't

986
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,680
human, you're going to be in a
world of trouble.

987
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,600
Yeah, she's such an ally.
I Yeah.

988
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,720
I think though, my question is
not about Sue Sylvester

989
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:38,480
supporting like, you know, anal
play, but it's really that Sue

990
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,040
Sylvester is supporting anal
plate during school hours like

991
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,200
that that I was like, hold on,
hold on a minute.

992
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,280
What do you mean if I can't?
No, Sue, Sue, Sue.

993
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,920
Those are at home activities.
Yeah, not not school activities,

994
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,280
please.
Not not school.

995
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,080
So she she tells him to get rid
of the puppet.

996
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,440
Is this where she takes it from
him?

997
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,120
Yeah, she takes it from him like
locks, and he's like curt

998
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,800
Puppet.
He just, he's so, he's so

999
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,120
betrayed, that face of grief.
Darren does the face of sadness

1000
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,360
very well.
Yes, he does.

1001
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:13,480
So later at in the dark of night
or whenever in his night, bird

1002
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,160
mask, laying mask.
Why not the whole outfit, just

1003
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,400
the mat A?
Little upset that the that the

1004
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,560
outfit didn't didn't make it
make a resurgence here.

1005
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,240
He breaks into Sue's office to
steal back Curt Puppet and she

1006
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:29,680
catches him claiming to claim
his monstrous puppet bride.

1007
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,960
You strange tiny doe eyed
pervert.

1008
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,040
Does she live at the school?
Well, she knew he was going to

1009
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,080
do it, so she was waiting.
For it, she just like staked him

1010
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,080
out.
OK, Yeah.

1011
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,000
Get out of here.
Go feel shame.

1012
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,880
That was my favorite go feel.
Shame gives him a week of the

1013
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,440
detention and she calls out the
magic discount bullet train they

1014
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,960
all use to get to and from New
York.

1015
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,680
Amazing.
I'm glad someone pointed that

1016
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,440
out.
Someone finally did it.

1017
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,000
I didn't like that the puppet
moved when no one was looking at

1018
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,880
it.
Yeah, there was a lot of like

1019
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,400
puppets are alive.
Yeah, as if the moments in this.

1020
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,840
Moves when no one's looking at
it, are we?

1021
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,960
So I didn't like that.
Were you going to say, are we

1022
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,240
the puppets?
Kind of.

1023
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,600
Like are we hallucinating?
Are we the puppet like?

1024
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,040
Gas leak is like the whole
school.

1025
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,880
Now that would have been funny.
Actually great.

1026
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,360
Like who's the POV of the?
Why is the puppet moving?

1027
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,880
What's the POV?
I think it was just like a joke

1028
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,360
I hope and not that like puppets
are possessed in this alternate

1029
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,640
universe.
Or are they 'cause that would

1030
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,960
kind of fun like season 6 all
puppets?

1031
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:37,600
I have, I do have to shout out,
I have, I have to shout out the

1032
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,960
blocking in this in this scene,
because when Blaine takes Kurt

1033
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,000
Puppet out of the drawer and
like Sue catches them, Blaine

1034
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,760
turns to look at Sue, but then
also moves Kurt Puppet.

1035
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,200
So Kurt Puppet is also looking
at Sue.

1036
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,760
Yes.
So it's like that Kurt Puppet

1037
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,960
has reacted to Sue and that that
was just really special.

1038
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,240
I thought that was very funny.
Yeah, he Blaine, Blaine slash

1039
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,640
Darren real good at the puppets.
Yeah, he really just.

1040
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,800
Bought 100% in.
He was like I am a puppet master

1041
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,680
now in the other way.
Oh I do worry that Darren took

1042
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,080
the puppet home, but the puppet
was sold for like $3000 during

1043
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,640
one of the auctions.
Maybe to Darren, I think.

1044
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:19,560
Everyone.
I was just.

1045
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:20,960
I think everyone else kept their
puppet.

1046
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,920
They were like, no.
Well, you don't want those

1047
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,240
puppets in the hands of the
fans.

1048
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,800
Right.
Well, I know Chris Colder killed

1049
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,520
that puppet.
There's no way he didn't.

1050
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:29,840
He loved it too much.
Yeah.

1051
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,200
Which puppet was?
Let me see.

1052
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,000
One of the puppets got sold.
I think it was a Blaine puppet.

1053
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:34,960
I saw that on the.
Glue.

1054
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:35,880
It was a Blaine puppet.
Yeah.

1055
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,360
So then Blaine has to call Kurt
to tell him he's not coming to

1056
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:45,160
the show and the split screen is
puppet Kurt yelling.

1057
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,800
Turns into puppet Kurt.
It's like Kurt, and then he

1058
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,120
becomes.
Puppet Kurt.

1059
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,680
Yeah, Blaine and.
Blaine was.

1060
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,000
Like meta having the only meta
conversation about being a

1061
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,160
puppet.
Yeah, it is.

1062
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,680
Yeah.
And, and one of my notes was

1063
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,920
like, how much of this
conversation is real if it's a

1064
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,960
puppet, Curt?
That's true 'cause he really

1065
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,720
gets very dramatic and I'm like.
Oh yeah, he's curts me.

1066
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,800
Like a little bit.
Shrieking at him like, he's me

1067
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,320
as a puppet.
Yeah.

1068
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,520
Like, yes, literally.
Do you see me as a puppet?

1069
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,400
And I was like, that a puppet
made a felt and buttons that he

1070
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,120
can just play with and discard
when he's done with him.

1071
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:25,360
I was like, is this Blaine meta
ING what he worries that Kurt

1072
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,760
thinks he thinks or is this
actually what Kurt thinks?

1073
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,560
Like what is going on in this
conversation?

1074
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,840
Because Kurt doesn't know that
the Kurt puppet exists at this

1075
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:33,800
point.
Right?

1076
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,320
No, right, no.
I was like what is happening

1077
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,000
like and and it's like Blaine
didn't want to hurt Kurt by not

1078
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,520
calling earlier.
This just happened.

1079
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,520
How could he have?
Called earlier like hours

1080
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:47,800
earlier could have been the
only.

1081
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,800
Yeah, he couldn't have.
He couldn't have called any

1082
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,920
earlier.
So how could Kurt be pissed?

1083
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,040
I mean, Kurt gets mad at all
sorts of things, but like.

1084
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,320
Was he talking to Kurt on the
phone the day of the concert?

1085
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,200
He must have 'cause he was like
he thought he was already in New

1086
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,760
York.
Yeah, he he thought he was

1087
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,080
calling from New York.
Yeah.

1088
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,000
So I guess he could have called
a little bit earlier.

1089
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,800
But we don't know when the
puppet got stolen, like we don't

1090
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,160
know when he got detention
'cause there's never time in

1091
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,240
this show.
So whatever.

1092
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,800
Blaine's not there.
Kurt's mad.

1093
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,080
Or, or Blaine thinks Kurt's mad.
We're not sure how much of that

1094
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:21,640
was real.
You.

1095
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,480
Don't know what Kurt's feeling,
but Kurt's puppet is pissed.

1096
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,760
Her puppet is mad he's got
detention.

1097
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,440
Becky is there because she has
detention more than anyone.

1098
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,840
I fucking hate her reaction of
like blowing a Raspberry.

1099
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,040
This is the Becky that I
absolutely can't stand because

1100
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,400
Blaine's like, let's use this
time to get to know each other

1101
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,080
and expose our core wounds,
which is very plain.

1102
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,560
He's Full breakfast Clubbing at
this entire scene is Breakfast

1103
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,400
Club.
It's The Breakfast Club.

1104
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,680
It is the.
Breakfast Club, Yeah.

1105
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,600
Which like, because I definitely
thought that Sue had given him

1106
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,160
detention all week, but it turns
out that he had a Saturday

1107
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,680
detention, which is why he
couldn't go to New York.

1108
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,120
Like, yeah, well, and again, the
wiki says that they were going

1109
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,000
to sing Don't You Forget About
Me in this scene, and then it

1110
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,680
got cut.
That makes sense.

1111
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,880
This whole episode seems like it
was a fucking mess but Blaine

1112
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,840
hallucinates puppet Becky and
Puppet Jake apologizing to him

1113
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,760
because that's what he needs
from people.

1114
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,680
And puppet Becky calls him
Blaine Warbler, which just like,

1115
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,160
yo yeah, season 123 Becky.
Uh huh.

1116
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,440
Amazing.
Blaine Warbler Anderson.

1117
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,680
That is his government name.
Government name.

1118
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,040
And you know, he's feeling
guilty about missing her show.

1119
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,680
And the puppets are like Kurt or
we all need you and you're

1120
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,320
America's gay sweetheart.
And he says something about like

1121
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,440
he can only he worries that he
can only feel like himself with

1122
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,360
friends that he can totally
control because it keeps him

1123
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,720
from feeling like he's actually
close to anybody.

1124
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,640
And he wonders if it's a deeper
intimacy issue.

1125
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,480
And then the show like never
brings that up for real as a

1126
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,400
character issue, you know,
because they.

1127
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,840
'D have to do research, but it's
Glee.

1128
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,720
Yeah, they'd have to actually
confront that problem in their

1129
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,440
character, so let's not do them.
But then, you know, we carry on.

1130
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:11,200
So again, an unknown amount of
time later, Blaine is in the so

1131
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,920
the choir room, the auditorium
again, it's like a very dark

1132
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:20,440
background, talking to Tina
Puppet and who's like, what is

1133
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,640
you're more like Mel Gibson and
Mad Max with your abs and your

1134
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,880
leather and recalling Tina Vapo
raping him with his smooth,

1135
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,240
hairless chest.
Yeah, I'm engaged.

1136
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,360
I hated this.
Is he's like fake flirting with

1137
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:36,880
a puppet?
Yeah, why?

1138
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,360
Why are you recalling one of the
worst scenes with, like, jokey

1139
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,240
fondness?
Stop it.

1140
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,520
No one liked that.
No one liked that scene.

1141
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,600
And I think they know that, so
they're just bringing it back

1142
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:47,880
up.
I was.

1143
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,360
Supposed to say that was
completely like, I don't know if

1144
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,960
fanservice is the right thing
because we hated it, but fan

1145
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,920
disservice.
Like they were like, yeah, we're

1146
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,760
putting this in just a piss
y'all off.

1147
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,720
We know you hate this, so we're
going to keep doing it and make

1148
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,800
Darren say weird shit about
himself.

1149
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,000
Yeah.
Hey but we watched our own show

1150
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,280
so.
That's true.

1151
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,120
We did.
We did watch our own show for

1152
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,200
once, but the real Tina walks in
and she's there to apologize for

1153
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,840
the Glee club being Dicks.
Oh, that, that's nice.

1154
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,520
And to say that they're ready to
listen to him.

1155
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,160
Because he is right.
Because he is the longest

1156
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,880
serving Glee club member.
Well, not Glee club, but like,

1157
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,800
show choir member.
Yeah, and he's a proven winner.

1158
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,560
Yeah, and none of the rest of
them had any ideas.

1159
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,400
Also like this whole thing, they
were like, no blame, we don't

1160
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,440
want to listen to you.
And nobody else had any.

1161
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,040
Yeah, anything that they.
Can they didn't step up so

1162
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,200
because of the loft where Elliot
and Rachel are discussing the

1163
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,560
band.
And Miss Rachel Berry is looking

1164
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,160
particularly beautiful with her
sweater and little dress and big

1165
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,880
shoes and thigh high stockings.
I just, I love this outfit on

1166
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:47,200
her.
It's.

1167
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,200
A little closer to season 1,
Rachel.

1168
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,440
A little bit, yeah.
Like a grown up.

1169
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,920
Yeah, Kurt's got Cronuts because
that was in at the time.

1170
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,440
Indeed, And he has announced
that their second gig is at the

1171
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,240
Williamsburg Music Hall because
they're one audience member from

1172
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,320
their first show.
Liked it and passed the

1173
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:12,320
information on to their nephew
who like works at the venue.

1174
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,240
Which, by the way, he only came
'cause he thought Angela

1175
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,120
Lansbury was gonna be there.
Yeah, incredible.

1176
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,960
I really appreciate that.
I I appreciate the shout out to

1177
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,480
that Angela Lansbury fan.
I know he had like a book for

1178
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,680
her to sign or DVD or something.
That was so funny.

1179
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,200
But it means that you know they
they did pick a good band name

1180
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:37,080
because Angela Lansbury fans are
liking the Madonna covers so.

1181
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,480
Totally it worked.
Go Rachel for having that random

1182
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,600
stroke of genius to pick that
name.

1183
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,720
Yeah, and then the UPS guy shows
up with a big old package for

1184
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,360
Kurt from Blaine.
Q Package for Kurt from Blaine.

1185
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,480
Package for Kurt Hummel.
Yeah, exactly.

1186
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,480
And it's more fucking puppets.
How did he make these puppets so

1187
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:58,760
fast?
That means.

1188
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,840
It's a puppet.
A freaking wizard with felt.

1189
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,160
I'm sorry that was crazy.
He just saw puppets in his head

1190
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,800
and then made them exactly like
he pictured them in his head.

1191
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:13,320
He's in like a day and shipped
them that fast.

1192
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:14,920
Overnighted.
He's like, they need these

1193
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,280
puppets now.
He's got them on the magical

1194
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,840
bullet train.
Yeah, get these puppets to New

1195
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,120
York now.
And he's made puppets for

1196
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,120
literally everybody.
Except for Danny, she was just

1197
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,360
not there.
So none for Danny.

1198
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:27,840
Except everybody.
Except for Danny.

1199
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,240
None for Danny, and then we have
to listen to the Fox.

1200
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,080
Arguably one of the worst
performances on Glee.

1201
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,360
Why did they have?
Them wear the stupid animal

1202
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:39,920
mask.
I think it's a reference to the

1203
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,520
actual music video for the
original.

1204
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,200
It is OK.
Yeah, you're right.

1205
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,480
That and.
Puppets.

1206
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,080
It's too much.
It's too much.

1207
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,040
It's too much.
Also like the really fake

1208
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,320
background.
Which I think is also the

1209
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,440
original music video.
Looked like that, yeah.

1210
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:01,960
The fact that the music is just
bad like me, The Fox is such a

1211
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,720
forgettable pop culture moment.
Like they've done a lot of two

1212
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,160
timely pop culture moments in in
seasons past that I think have

1213
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,560
endured a little bit more, but
the ones they picked for this

1214
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,480
season don't endure.
The the speech that Bru gave

1215
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,600
that was like the unhinged
sorority rant does not endure.

1216
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,680
What does the fox say does not
endure?

1217
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,120
Like they, they, they did a
really poor job of picking like

1218
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,920
which memes and stuff to
reference this season because

1219
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,720
it's just like, I hated that
when it happened and I hate it

1220
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,120
more now that you're reminding
me that that happened.

1221
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,720
It wasn't funny once and it's
not funny twice.

1222
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,400
So I unfortunately have to take
the opposite side.

1223
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,400
And that was a great episode, so
good.

1224
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,160
And we'll catch you next time.
So.

1225
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,120
So I'm sitting on the couch.
I'm sitting on the couch with my

1226
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,080
beloved, with my beloved fella,
right?

1227
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,560
I forgot.
About this, you're bringing us

1228
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:54,720
back, OK.
Uh huh.

1229
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,360
We're bringing it back.
We're bringing it back.

1230
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,040
I don't know if you know about.
This bringing it, bringing it

1231
01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:59,400
back, I.
Don't know if you know about

1232
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:05,680
this but the song The Fox is by
a Norwegian joke band named

1233
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:12,880
Elvis.
Like Elvis with AY and they are

1234
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,280
just.
The song is a joke, so it's like

1235
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:17,720
the.
Lonely Island or something like

1236
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,200
that.
Yes, it's absolutely.

1237
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,440
Their whole vibe is very Lonely
Island.

1238
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,840
And they they, they have another
song that's my personal

1239
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,280
favorite, which is an homage to
the Norwegian cabin.

1240
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,280
And it is the funniest thing
I've ever seen in my life.

1241
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,680
So most Norwegians, when you
talk to them about it, will know

1242
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,040
of Elvis, they'll know who
you're talking about.

1243
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,840
And they're like, it's the cabin
guys.

1244
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,680
And they're like, Oh yeah, but
they did that one weird song

1245
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,840
about the fox.
So like it, It's not quite as

1246
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,560
like In the Void, but I mean,
I'm in Norway with Norwegian

1247
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,360
artists, so like, it's a thing.
But I'm sitting here watching

1248
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,360
this ridiculous cast do this
ridiculous song with these

1249
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:08,920
ridiculous puppets, and my 35
year old black metal husband is

1250
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,760
sitting on the couch and he's
singing along.

1251
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:15,880
Oh.
God, wait, is he still long

1252
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:16,400
bearded?
Yeah.

1253
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,720
Hell yeah, yeah.
So he's like, sitting there with

1254
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,560
his, like, big long Viking beard
and he's just like, like doing

1255
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,680
computer work and just like,
bopping his head and, like

1256
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,240
singing this song.
And I'm just like, OK, OK, sure,

1257
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:34,720
why not?
And so for as ridiculous as this

1258
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,920
song is in a very small part of
the world, it does endure.

1259
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,360
And that's it.
It's just like all the parts of

1260
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,000
my life, just like crashing
together.

1261
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,680
Wild.
And so, like, is it good?

1262
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,160
No.
Was I proud watching it?

1263
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,480
Also no.
Was I deeply embarrassed, in

1264
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,600
fact, to have my beloved fellow
sitting in the couch with me?

1265
01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:59,960
Oh yeah.
Big Yikes.

1266
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,760
And also, this episode finished
and I could not stop laughing.

1267
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,720
I was laughing.
I was smiling.

1268
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,440
I had warm fuzzy feelings about
this episode.

1269
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,520
Was it good?
No.

1270
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,600
Did I enjoy it?
Yeah, I did.

1271
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,360
I had a good time.
Not not the anecdote that I

1272
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,480
thought, but I love it.
The anecdote.

1273
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,560
We needed the anecdote.
It's what we needed.

1274
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:23,160
Yeah.
It's.

1275
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:28,000
The Norwegian Lonely Island.
You know, that gives me a lot of

1276
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,160
context that I needed, so thank
you for that.

1277
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,560
I'm glad, yeah.
Under no circumstances should

1278
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,560
you take this song seriously.
Perfect.

1279
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,440
I think for me it's.
Not taking it seriously.

1280
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,240
It's that it's so deeply
annoying.

1281
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,400
This is true.
But again, it's really fucking

1282
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,240
annoying on purpose.
Because I I love The Lonely

1283
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,160
Island and had a big phase with
them and I guess some of their

1284
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:54,480
songs are.
I'm gonna have to meditate on

1285
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,720
this.
Yeah, no, I'm excited to come

1286
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:03,200
back to, to this, but it's
definitely drunk college party

1287
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,440
music.
You know, you've got to be at

1288
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,720
least a couple of shots in so
that everyone has fun making the

1289
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,680
noises together 'cause if you're
the DD at the party, you're

1290
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,840
gonna hate it.
Yeah, there's a, there's a

1291
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:21,560
specific subtype I'm learning of
like Norwegian music.

1292
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,640
That's just annoying.
Just noises.

1293
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:29,240
There's just a, there's a,
there's a Norwegian song kind of

1294
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:34,600
in this general direction that I
love called Salsa Tequila and

1295
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:41,279
yeah, Salsa Tequila.
And it is just, it's a silly

1296
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:47,680
kind of like Pitbull esque party
song, just using all of the

1297
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,080
words that you learn in your
first year of Spanish class.

1298
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:57,920
And, you know, so you've got the
trombone and then words in

1299
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,960
Spanish being sung by
Norwegians.

1300
01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:03,479
And it's just, it's so funny.
But if you are in a drunk room,

1301
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,200
it's the Best Song you've ever
heard.

1302
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,439
OK, I get.
It it's the vibe.

1303
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,840
It's just the vibe.
I get it, I get it.

1304
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,080
That helps.
That helps.

1305
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,080
Yeah, So like, if I was on the
stage with the puppet singing,

1306
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,240
what does the fox say?
I probably would have loved this

1307
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,720
number because I've been, like,
making the funny noises and

1308
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,479
dancing my puppet around with
everybody else.

1309
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:22,560
That makes sense.
Exactly.

1310
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:23,160
Right.
Right.

1311
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,680
One must participate.
And what does?

1312
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:32,600
The Fox say 1 must question.
What does the fox say?

1313
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,319
Are we puppets or are we foxes?
Oh.

1314
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,000
Is that not the the the question
of Glee?

1315
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,439
Always Are we puppet or are we
fox?

1316
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,399
If it's not, it should be.
I don't think we can go anywhere

1317
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:47,840
else from there for this
episode.

1318
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,279
I think that's.
It yeah, thank you for.

1319
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:53,439
Taking it honestly, we we said
way more about this episode than

1320
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,080
I thought we were going.
To Yeah, I really thought this

1321
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,720
would be way shorter so.
I guess we have to say, do we

1322
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,040
have a favorite song?
Allison, It's gonna be the fox

1323
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:02,840
for you.
So.

1324
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:08,720
I didn't like any of this music.
I didn't enjoy any of it.

1325
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:13,600
Not not one.
I will go with the fox just on

1326
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,480
principle.
OK, makes sense.

1327
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:16,840
You got a RIP.
I will.

1328
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,960
I will go with your my best
friend.

1329
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:26,480
Oh, you're.
The first one when things.

1330
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,120
Turn out bad.
You know, I'm never be lonely.

1331
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,320
You're my only one.
And I love the things.

1332
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:44,580
I really love the things that.
You do?

1333
01:10:50,260 --> 01:10:52,180
Oh, you're my best friend.
For, you know, the bleed of it

1334
01:10:52,180 --> 01:10:53,340
all.
Yeah.

1335
01:10:53,540 --> 01:10:54,220
Same.
That was the.

1336
01:10:54,220 --> 01:10:55,900
Bleed of it all, it was a good
time.

1337
01:10:56,340 --> 01:10:59,900
I do want to give a special
shout out to the Janet Jackson

1338
01:10:59,900 --> 01:11:03,460
intervals in In Nasty Rhythm
Nation.

1339
01:11:03,660 --> 01:11:05,920
Yeah.
I just, I really enjoy that,

1340
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,240
that one part of the song.
I like the whole song but just

1341
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,760
that, like the Janet Jackson
over like interludes just have a

1342
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:13,760
special little place in my
heart.

1343
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:15,800
This is true.
They weren't Capital P

1344
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,800
performing that song.
So like prompts indeed.

1345
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,480
It just, if it had been in
another context, yeah, I would

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have been happier about it.
I mean, do we have to say nice

1347
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:30,000
things, the thing that we liked?
I love the silence.

1348
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,760
My thing that I liked was how
much the cast loved those damn

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01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,400
puppets because I think that was
really fun.

1350
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,000
That was probably the funnest
part of this episode for me was

1351
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,200
all the behind the scenes stuff
with them, with the puppet.

1352
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:46,240
I really liked how much
Principal Figgins we got in this

1353
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,840
episode.
I find myself missing him often

1354
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,120
and so I was really glad we got
to see him.

1355
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,520
I liked how little Mr. Shue
there was.

1356
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,720
Cheers.
Yeah, he really wasn't there

1357
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,640
except for the final number.
Well, and the other.

1358
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,720
Number and it was with sue or
with sue so that really balances

1359
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:09,240
it out.
OK well this was puppet master a

1360
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:14,160
lot more to say than we thought.
Trigger warning for previously

1361
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,760
unaired Christmas coming up in
the next episode.

1362
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:20,120
That'll be an inventor you know
prepare yourselves.

1363
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,960
I'm so excited for Allison to
see this for the first time,

1364
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,480
honestly.
I have absolutely no idea what's

1365
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:28,960
about to happen and I'm really
curious what parts of I've I've

1366
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:35,000
I've gained via osmosis.
I'm pretty sure back in the day

1367
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:41,400
I wrote a fic in the form of a a
screenplay to counteract this.

1368
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,400
Oh.
I have to go find.

1369
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,320
I was about to say pretty sure
unearth that for us because I'm

1370
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,080
going to need a palate cleanser.
I'm pretty sure I did that.

1371
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,760
I'm so excited for all of the
things that I missed on Glee.

1372
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:54,840
On Glee.
So yeah.

1373
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,320
So thanks for listening.
You can find us on at Fandom on

1374
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,960
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And you know, we'll catch you

1375
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,680
next week, next week, next week
for some Christmas cheer.

1376
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,640
And I guess that's what you
missed on on Puppets.

1377
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,760
On Glee.
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1378
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,120
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1379
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,760
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1380
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:20,280
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1381
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,360
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01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,680
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01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,800
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01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,320
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1386
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:41,040
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1387
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,520
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1388
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,440
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