(S3E8) Pack Dynamics: A Teen Wolf Podcast - Visionary

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You're listening to Pack
Dynamics, a Fandom on the Rocks

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podcast.
Welcome back to Pack Dynamics, a

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Teen Wolf podcast.
I'm Emily.

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And I'm Allison.
And this is Season 3, Episode 8

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Visionary.
I don't know if I like this

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episode.
Yeah.

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I, I don't know if I like it.
I remembered liking it and then

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I watched it and now I'm sitting
and having to think about it and

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I'm like, I don't actually know
how I feel about this episode.

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I'm hoping by the end of our
little conversation I'll get to

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some kind of answer, but it just
made me angrier, I think more

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than enjoyable.
Yeah, really.

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All I remembered was oh this is
the episode with Paige.

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Yeah.
And then?

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As I watched it, I was like, is
this what happened the first

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time?
Because not fully watch it,

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yeah.
Like I I'm so glad because so

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Phantom fucks up a lot of stuff
right?

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Phantom has lubafied Derek,
Fandom has ignored all of his

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like nonsense and his
villainized Scott.

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Phantom has lubafied styles.
Fandom takes care of Paige in a

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way that Canon does not.
Yes.

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Yes, fandom takes care of Paige
because Paige gets the short end

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of every possible stick in this
fucking episode.

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This poor.
Girl.

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The poor girl.
Just out there living a teenage

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life until it's utterly ruined.
And OK, so like, we're gonna,

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we're gonna talk about it, we're
gonna get there.

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But I just like Peter's
character arc through the course

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of the series is wild.
Just when you think you're like,

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OK, let's bring in Peter, it's
gonna be wrong.

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Wrong.
He has been this way forever.

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He will never stop, never stop,
never stopping, never stop.

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Yeah, OK, before, OK, let's do
the rundown of the episode.

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Monster.
Like, we just have to get that.

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I just can't.
I can't.

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I'm so mad.
Yeah, OK, so real quick, the

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episode is seeking answers,
Scott, Allison and Styles turn

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to two unlikely narrators for
help and discover a secret about

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the color of a werewolf's eyes.
This episode air July 22nd,

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2013.
Unlikely is the wrong word.

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Unreliable.
Unreliable.

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Yes.
Unreliable is the word. 2

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narrators with vendettas and
side plots and whole ass

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business on the side.
And like, the whole time I'm

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just, I'm thinking, you know,
mostly I'm getting mad at at

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Peter because I already know
that Gerard is irredeemable.

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Yes.
Because I'm hoping that Peter is

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redeemable.
And again, he's he's not, at

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least not yet.
And like, so I'm going through

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this and the whole time I'm like
and Styles and Cora believe this

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bullshit.
OK, that is a question that I

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have throughout.
It is one.

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Can Cora tell that any of this
is a lie and is Styles savvy

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enough to be like this
motherfucker is not trustworthy?

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Why are we sitting here
listening to this shit?

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Is it just because he so deeply
wants to know Back story?

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Because like at the end of the
episode, they both kind of like

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seem to agree that this is the,
this is the, this is the truth.

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Yeah, they do.
They seem to.

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And, and part of it feels like
it's because the episode wants

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to give the audience Derek's
life.

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Yeah.
But then you're like, OK, but

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you have to give me one version
that is the truth.

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Yeah, but like we we get the
truth.

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You see it in the flashbacks on
both sides.

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But it's just that like in that
room, Peter is lying to Cora and

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Styles and he might not even
know it's AI assume that he

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knows that he's lying.
But like now, everything about

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this at this, like this period
in Derek's life, that's the

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truth that both Cora and Stiles
believe.

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And then you get the flip side
with Scott and Allison, with

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Gerard.
And like, at the end of it,

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Scott is like, I don't know if
you're telling me the truth or

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not, but I'm gonna kill you if
you're not.

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I.
Love that for him so much.

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And it's like Scott and Allison
are not taking anything that

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Gerard says, like at face value.
Incorrectly.

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And they're at least playing
along with him until the very

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end.
Yeah.

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And and I think you can tell
that.

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Yeah, how?
Gerard doesn't.

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Allison gets caught up in the
story a little bit and then

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pulls back because she's like oh
shit, I know who I'm talking to

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and it doesn't seem like Cora
and Stiles do that at all.

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It doesn't seem like it, no.
Unless there's like a cut scene

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somewhere where they're like
cool story.

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What the fuck are you talking
about?

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Uncle Peter, who killed Sister
Laura Like Nah.

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Yeah, right.
Uncle Peter, Who killed Sister

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Laura?
Who would have killed absolutely

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everyone who tried to turn
Lydia?

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Like no.
What are you doing here?

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Like it, it's it's a whole
fucking mess, but we should get

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through the actual episode
before we start digging into

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like the after effects.
But I'm just, I'm very grateful

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in this moment for fandom,
because fandom takes care of

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Paige.
And, you know, they, I mean, not

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that they ever really give her
like, the greatest happy ending

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because, like, she always dies.
Yeah, like she dies here and she

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dies forever.
They don't like dishonor her

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memory, I guess, like Peter
fucking does.

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I just.
Yeah, dishonor on your house.

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Dishonor on your house, dishonor
on your cow, dishonor on your

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whole family.
I hate her.

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The worst?
The worst she's.

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Somehow worse.
I mean, at times she's worse

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than Gerard because Gerard knows
that he's evil and Peter

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pretends like he's not.
Yeah, Peter pretends that he is

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like the the great all knowing,
all sacrificing werewolf, and

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he's just not.
He's just a Dick.

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All right, so this episode has a
nice creepy cold open.

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You've got your classic creepy
forest, and we've got a young

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boy running through the woods.
Perfect Teen Wolf Cold open.

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Indeed.
But we've got those mechanical

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stakes that the Arjuns have used
well in the future in our

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previous episodes, but in the
future to like corral the

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werewolves in the direction that
they want them to go, using like

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a high pitched Sonic squealing,
terrible sound.

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Right.
So we know that this has to be a

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werewolf and that he's being
hunted, which sucks.

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And then he runs into somebody
else, and that other dude is

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like, you're a hail, aren't you?
So we're starting to put the

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pieces together.
So we got some clues and then

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that other kid, man boy,
whatever, gets an arrow right

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through his throat.
Oof.

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So he's out.
And then another arrow comes at

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our our hero, but someone else
who is half wolfed out catches

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it.
Welcome back to Therapy boy.

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Hey, who's this?
We know this face.

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Hi therapy boy.
Hi Therapy Boy.

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So this is the same actor who
played Therapy Boy, who played

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the vision in Lydia's
hallucinations.

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Who is?
In season.

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In Season 2.
Two.

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Yeah.
Who is young Peter Hale?

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Hi, Uncle Peter.
So this other kid has to be

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young Derek Hale, and honestly,
it's good casting.

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It's great casting.
Yeah, this works.

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Fantastic casting.
It's incredible.

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And those two take off running,
and behind them are Gerard and

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Chris Argent.
Looking not a day younger, a day

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younger in present Canon.
No, Chris Arjun is clean shaven.

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So yes.
There's that.

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Yeah, no, they're they're both
fully grown adults, so Derek and

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Peter have both aged a lot.
Which is funny, because, like,

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really, they're not that much
younger than they are in the

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present.
No.

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Like it this is not that much
time.

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And so Chris wants these two
brought back alive and he's

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doing his like, we go by the
code because remember, Chris is

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the good hunter who doesn't just
kill werewolves for sport like

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Gerard, because that always
works out.

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So we find that the two Hales
hiding underground in like a

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woodsy some.
Kind of cellar like cellar

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bunker thing.
Yeah, like a bunker.

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And then we get a voice over of
Cora going.

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They were hiding there for two
days.

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And she, like, melts into the
scene.

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Which is kind of cool.
It's gorgeous.

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It's just gone.
It's just odd.

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It's very like, it breaks you
out of the story because you're

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like, what is going on?
Yeah.

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And it's her telling this story
in the present to well, she has

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Styles and Peter and she's like
we were taught to hide and to

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heal.
And then Styles like what is 2

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day standard for healing?
Because they're wondering where

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Derek is and if, like, he is
somewhere hiding and healing for

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two days.
Yeah, because we in in our last

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episode, we found we, we left
the scene with Derek just having

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been used to sacrifice Boyd in
his vault and so with with both

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Cora and Styles present and then
Derek ran away, I guess.

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Yeah, we don't know where he we
don't know what he did.

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We didn't see it, but he is now
gone.

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He is now gone.
I did like that you said Boyd

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was killed by alphas and not
that Derek killed Boyd.

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Correct.
Boyd was killed by Alphas.

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That is correct.
That is correct, yes.

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So that at least she's not
placing any blame on Boyd's

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death on Derek.
Yeah, no, because, like, Cora

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and Derek have been shown to
have kind of a tumultuous

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relationship, for what it's
worth.

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But like, even she knows that
like this wasn't his fault.

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Yeah, and Cora's kind of waxing
poetic about how like, there's

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something different about Derek
now.

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And that's when Styles asks what
he was like before.

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And then Peter just comes
sauntering down the staircase to

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be like he was a lot like Scott,
actually unbearably romantic and

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profoundly narcissistic.
I see.

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The unbearably romantic, kind
of, but like, profoundly

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narcissistic.
I don't know what in Scott or in

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Derek.
In Derek, Like, do we think

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Derek was profoundly
narcissistic just because he was

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15?
He was profoundly narcissistic

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in Peter's eyes because he
didn't immediately listen to

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everything that Peter says.
Fair.

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So like, because neither Derek
nor Scott, who he's being like

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thrown out of the bus a little
bit here, are profoundly

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narcissistic.
They just both have a second

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guessing like pause moment
before blindly listening to

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Peter.
Peter talks and they're both

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like, exactly.
Also I would just I'd like to

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state for the record we are
recording this on the 2nd of

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June.
Happy pride.

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Happy pride.
It was a riot.

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You mean to tell me that the
Derek Hale back story episode is

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Styles asking questions of Cora
and Peter?

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What in the name of Pride month
mockery is this bullshit?

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Yes, it is.
This is Styles wanting to know

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what his packmate is like.
This is and why is he so sad

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now?
And why is he so sad?

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Like what?
Why?

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Why was this from like a
writer's perspective?

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Why was this the narrative story
that you set up to tell the

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background?
Yeah, they broke them into

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interesting groups.
It's Peter Styles and Cora, and

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then Scott and Allison.
Isaac is gone.

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Boyd and Erica are in France.
They're in France.

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They're in France and we don't
have anybody else.

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Lydia is non existent in this
episode.

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I guess she was studying.
I don't know why she's not here.

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Yeah, I don't know why she's
here, but like.

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She was at the loft when she was
the fight and then I guess went.

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Home.
So was Isaac, and so was

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Jennifer.
Yeah.

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Like you fuck.
Jennifer.

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But fuck yeah.
But like, you could do this

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episode.
You could do the Peter Kora

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Isaac thing or the Peter Kora
Styles thing with Isaac.

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Yes.
That Isaac is still part of

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pack.
Isaac is coming after Boyd.

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Isaac is like, Isaac is here,
Isaac is home, he's part of the

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pack.
And you could do this by making

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it Styles.
You have like you could have

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made it literally anybody but
Scott Nelson who are hanging out

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with Gerard.
Like by making it Styles, they

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have made so many additional
choices.

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If they wanted to really hammer
home a Jennifer relationship,

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she could have still been there
being like, what?

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What was my sweet Derek like?
Yeah.

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Before.
Before, yeah, you could have

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100% you could have.
But no, it's styles.

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What kind of nonsense is this?
I'm so I'm like, I'm not mad

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about it, but this I think is
sort of for me.

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And I haven't done the research,
I haven't looked at the data,

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but like this is where Hale pack
styles starts to form in my

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brain.
OK, Yeah.

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Because you very clearly got
like Scott and Allison over here

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doing a thing.
He's with Deaton, he's with

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Gerard, he's with Chris.
He's like over here doing a

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thing.
And then you've got the, the,

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the Derek conversation with
Peter and Cora in the loft with

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Styles.
There's just there's such a

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separation and usually, and we
would have assumed that like

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Styles would have headed out
with with Allison and Scott

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versus hanging around waiting
for Derek to come home.

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OK, Yeah, I.
Just like I in my brain it I'm

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just like, I'm like you have you
have set up so many interesting

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things by like asking styles to
be in the slot and ask these

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questions.
I'm just my my goggles are on

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really tight, guys.
They're on really tight.

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If I need to loosen them, I'm
gonna try.

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But like I I just have so many
questions but.

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I mean and Styles is so
inquisitive.

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Yeah, he's gonna ask.
He's gonna ask some.

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Questions.
But there also seems to have

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been some time, so two days or
however long.

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We don't know how long it's
been.

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He says it's been 2 days 'cause
like, yeah.

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So Styles is like asking
basically he's been in hiding

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for two days.
Has Styles Wise styles at the

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loft.
Exactly.

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So he's where Derek should be.
He's where Derek should be.

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Yeah.
Like there's there's there's

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threads missing, but they're
pretty.

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They're pretty clear threads
like I.

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Yep.
Oh look, it's Grandpa Gerard.

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Yeah, so we've got Gerard and
Allison, but Allison brings in

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Scott and they want information
about Dekalian and that whole

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situation.
But if they want information,

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Gerard wants something 1st and
that is for Scott to pull pain

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from him because he he's
gooshing black constantly.

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Apparently it hurts and that is
his price for information.

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I guess, yeah.
So I guess he's got to do that

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for him.
And he does, because Scott is a

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good boy, Scott.
And they want to get their info.

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Yeah.
So we have our first real

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flashback of of Paige.
And so we see a girl playing

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cello at school.
I think we have to assume this

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is still the Beacon Hills High
School.

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Yeah.
It all looks the same.

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And she is alone in the music
room playing cello.

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I guess during a free period.
Sure.

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And then she's interrupted by a
bunch of boys playing basketball

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in the hallway, and she goes out
there to confront them.

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And we've got our young Derek
Hale playing with a bunch of

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unnamed boys.
And she kind of tells them to,

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like, knock it off.
She's trying to concentrate.

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And he's like you take the ball
from me and I'll stop being

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annoying.
Typical dude bro. 15 year old

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behavior.
Such a 15 year old behavior.

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He's so cocky.
Cocky basketball shit Derek Hale

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like I looking through my notes,
I definitely changed my mind on

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this pretty quick because he
like he grows on me real fast.

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But this particular little shit
bag, I just, I just want to like

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grab him by the ears and just
shake him like a.

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Little bit yeah.
And, and part of me was like,

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doesn't he have a bunch of
sisters like.

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Yeah, he's got two sisters.
Do you think, like, Laura in

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theory is at school with him
right now?

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Yeah.
Like, I don't think Laura's that

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much older than Derek.
Like dude.

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Like haven't you been trained
better than this?

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Yeah, like, come on guys.
Also, let's please also look at

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Derek with his tank top and
flannel.

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I know.
He's he's he's got the flannel

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over shirt and I'm like, oh,
hello.

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He does, yeah.
Got to walk Rock the flannel

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man.
But Paige's reaction is to just

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walk away.
Good.

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Which is the correct response?
He's.

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He's like baiting her and all of
his like shitty little friends

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are just like laughing at her
'cause she can't do the thing.

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It's like, shut up, guys.
Yeah, the correct response to

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this kind of behavior from boys
is to just walk away.

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Just walk away.
'Cause like, they look stupid

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anyway, so just let them look
stupid, yeah.

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And she does.
Yep.

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So he comes because obviously
now he's she's like intrigued

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him.
He comes to apologize to her and

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like demand her name.
And she's like, I'll tell you my

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name if you can play one
instrument in this room.

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I love, I love like that she's
also being a cocky asshole.

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Yeah, they're both 40 cocky
little shits.

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I love this.
Good job guys.

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She's so cute I wish she had
like more back story about her

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like why is she just alone in
here playing by herself but he.

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Derek grabs the triangle because
you don't have to have any skill

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really to like, Ding a triangle.
He doesn't have to read music,

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he just has to be able to play
it.

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He just has to be able to Ding.
And I was like, ah, clever boy.

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Clever boy and.
She's into it, I get it, She's

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cute.
So here we have to do a little

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bit of trivia.
It's really easy trivia, I

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promise.
Oh God.

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So look at look at Paige, look
at Paige and her cute little

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face.
Oh, OK.

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Perhaps.
Who does she remind you of?

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Styles.
With her cute little pale her

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like her pale little face and
her little upturned nose and

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that beauty mark right under her
eye.

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Yep, dark hair.
Like, I'm, I'm sitting like

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looking at this, like how on
purpose was this done?

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How on purpose was 'cause they
could have made Paige anybody?

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Yeah.
They could have made her

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literally anybody.
Anybody she.

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Only has a last name because of
IMDb.

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Oh, sure.
And honestly, I think it's

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Polish.
Let's see IMDb Teen Wolf.

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I am Deba.
Kasi cava.

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Oh God, sure.
Like, yeah, yeah, I just.

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Sure.
And do we want to know who else

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she looks like?
And this that I'm not gonna, I'm

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not gonna hold you to this, but
I'm just gonna gonna ask, do you

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know who else she kind of looks
like?

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Jennifer.
Eli, OH.

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OK.
Yeah, well, Eli also looks like

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styles.
And the three of them all have

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some stuff in common.
They all kind of have some stuff

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in common.
And I'm just, I'm still, I'm

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just a girl staring at my
computer screaming into the

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universe.
Was this on purpose?

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I haven't even seen it and I
have so many questions about Eli

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that like I don't understand
that shit at all.

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I don't understand.
But like, Paige is wonderful and

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adorable and I love her and I'm
constantly asking like, why, why

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did you make why did you cast
her to look so much like styles?

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Like this is one of those things
that like casting is allowed to

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make choices, but sometimes
casting like goes by directions.

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Like I, I I'm confused.
We have questions.

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We have questions.
Well, so does Allison, and they

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have questions about the third
body that was found.

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Dun Dun.
And Gerard is kind of suggesting

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that it was expected that Deaton
would survive his attack.

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And Gerard's like like maybe
Deaton is the Dirac.

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You know what?
It is not a bad guess because he

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is in fact a druid.
He is a druid.

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He is a druid, you know, We
don't know a lot about him.

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Some shady shit kind of pops up
sometimes.

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He's got that sister.
We don't really know what she's

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up to.
Who knows?

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But what we do know is that
Gerard likes to start shit.

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He loves to start shit, it's his
favorite thing.

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And we know that Deaton is
mostly on Team Scott and Gerard

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is not on Team Scott.
So maybe this is the point in

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the episode where you're kind of
supposed to be like, is Gerard

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fully telling the truth when
he's when he is talking?

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Yeah.
And then he also says that

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Deukalian can't be beaten, which
is the information that Scott

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and Allison were there to get.
And then he's like, but he's not

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always blind.
And instead of just saying what

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he means, we have 40 minutes of
story to get through.

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And it's not even accurate.
Yeah, like.

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It's not even what happened.
You have to set up this whole

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thing for Scott and Allison to
only have to learn more about it

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later, like.
Right, right.

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Dude.
And kind of the same thing with

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Peter jumping in to tell the
story about Paige and Derek and

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his whole thing about because
what he's going back to, to the

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loft.
Styles had asked.

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Like, well, what changed Derek?
What changed Derek?

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And Peter was like a girl.
Do you know why some wolves have

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blue eyes now?
It's like story time with Peter

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Hale.
What he's telling you like

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happened but didn't happen.
And do they ever really find

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out?
Like no.

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Like it's some like.
I would love, I would love to

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hear like these two stories in
like season 12.

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Sure.
I, you know, by Deukalian and,

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and by Derek, Like Derek and Eli
are sitting down to the Eli's

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like I've got a crush and
Derek's like, let me tell you my

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first one, like be careful.
Like I would like, love to hear

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this from Derek's perspective.
Yeah.

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Mm, hmm, totally.
So be like, actually, you know

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what happened?
And Styles and Cora and the

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corridor being like that lying
bastard, Yeah.

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That bitch, I'm gonna kill him
again.

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Gonna kill him again.
Son of a bitch.

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Pretty much like.
So.

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But yes, Gerard, story time with
Gerard and story time with

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Peter.
Not great.

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So we have to go back to the so
these these scenes are very kind

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of short and inner cut and we're
going back and forth between the

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present with Gerard, the present
at the loft and then flashbacks.

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Do we want to like, stay at one
story and then go to the other

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one?
I don't know what do you think

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cause 'cause flashback 1 is
Derek and Paige.

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Yeah.
And then flashback 2 is is

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decalian.
Is decalian and they don't

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intersect really they.
Only they only intersect once.

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They intersect once.
Yeah.

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Yeah, kind of.
We'll, we'll try.

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And how about let's go all the
way through Uncle Peter until we

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get to the point where it
crosses over and then we go to

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Gerard?
OK, cool.

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So OK, so we're we're with the
loft and Uncle Peter and the

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flashbacks.
So style.

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And OK, here is where they try
to like, reconcile some ages and

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they can't do it, which I think
is hilarious.

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Right.
So Styles was like, so Derek was

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a sophomore?
How old was he then?

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How old were you?
How old are you now?

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And the show doesn't answer it.
They're just like, they just

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don't.
Peter just looks at Styles and

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he's like nothing.
And Cora's like 17 now and

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00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,720
that's all they say.
Like, what the fuck?

457
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,560
Answer the question.
I just love that they do that.

458
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,600
I mean, I, I don't like it, but
I like it and kind of a yeah,

459
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,840
you fucked up, didn't you?
Not as young as we could have

460
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,360
been, but not as old as you
might expect.

461
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,400
Yeah, yeah, like I get it if.
An answer is that.

462
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,560
It's that the actors are too old
for the characters the.

463
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,880
Actors are too old for the
characters.

464
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,760
They're too old for the
characters.

465
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,040
I'm not mad about it but like
Yikes.

466
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,080
Ian, I love you.
You are great for Peter.

467
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,560
You're just too old for the
character that they set out. 10

468
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,920
years too old.
And like it happened in Harry

469
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,920
Potter too.
I get it, you're great for the

470
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,760
character.
You're just too old and like it

471
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,000
just fucks up what they put in
the script and.

472
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,200
It's honestly fun.
Rickman.

473
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,360
Alan Rickman's voice was
correct.

474
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,000
Alan Rickman, the correct
casting.

475
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,920
He's 40 years, too.
Old.

476
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,520
He was 40 years too old.
The whole part about Severus

477
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,720
Snape is that he's like, not
that much older than everybody

478
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,040
else is like the the point of it
is that he's a peer of all the

479
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,560
adults who are making his life
shit.

480
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,440
Yes, that's.
The point?

481
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,280
That's the whole point of him
being such a douche.

482
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,880
Like.
Severus Snape, apologist in the

483
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,240
House.
Yeah, well.

484
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,760
That's another podcast.
That's a yeah, that's a

485
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,360
different podcast.
That's that's, that's a, that's

486
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,320
a different thing.
That's a different problem.

487
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,880
But it's like, you know, and
especially 'cause we'll go into

488
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,120
Season 4 and we'll start talking
about young Derek, but like,

489
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,760
young Peter is supposed to be
like vaguely in high school, but

490
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,120
he's like, not in high school.
Did he age like 30 years?

491
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,200
Like what?
Yeah, 'cause he, I don't think

492
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,400
he is in high school because
when he shows up at the lunch

493
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,800
table, Derek's like, what are
you doing here?

494
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,880
So I think he's out of high
school, but not by that much.

495
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,000
But not by that much.
Yeah.

496
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,080
Like, yeah.
So so in this this next piece of

497
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,760
the flashback, Derek and Paige,
well, OK, Peter is saying that

498
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,120
Derek and Paige would like make
out in this abandoned

499
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,800
distillery, which is kind of an
important location to both

500
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:07,480
flashbacks and Peter's like I
used to be Derricks best friend

501
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:13,240
and his closest confidant, but
really you see him just spying

502
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,480
through like a crack in the
distillery on Derek and Page.

503
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,160
Stalker.
You're just stalking these two

504
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,880
and for what reason?
Probably just to keep, well, I

505
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,560
don't know, to keep tabs on
Derek and also to make sure that

506
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,120
he's not hurting Paige.
Or to see how he can use Paige

507
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,720
to manipulate Derek like.
That's the one, probably the

508
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,280
manipulation.
Yeah.

509
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,720
So at some point, so Derek gets
spooked by a noise, which is

510
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:44,560
good because the alpha packs
enter and at this point in the

511
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,200
timeline, there are several
alpha packs and we've got

512
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,520
Dekalian with two eyeballs and
you have Collie and you have

513
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,160
Ennis.
Yeah, Collie with her whole pack

514
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,400
and Ennis with his whole pack,
Kayleen with his whole pack.

515
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,720
There's like a whole they're,
they're separate packs at this

516
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,920
point and they're all talking
about a missing pack member who

517
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,560
got shot through the throat.
And that's our dude from the

518
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:13,440
cold open who was taken to this
distillery, strung up and cut in

519
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,320
half.
Now who do we know who would do

520
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,240
that?
There's only one grandpa with a

521
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,400
broad sword that comes to mind.
Yes, yes.

522
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,680
So Gerard purposely did that for
for sport, for sport.

523
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,000
And Ennis's people are like,
well, Ennis's beta killed a

524
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,480
hunter and that's why he was
killed in retribution.

525
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,160
So that's not great.
But Ennis is like grumpy pants,

526
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,040
real reactive, and nothing is
going to go right with these

527
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,800
packs in town.
So Gerard is the one telling

528
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,480
this story to Scott.
Oh no, we have to stay with

529
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,600
Derek and and and.
No, I think we have to do it in

530
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,240
chronological order.
Yeah, 'cause otherwise.

531
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,000
Yeah.
Yeah, we do.

532
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:54,920
Yeah.
Well.

533
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,880
Suffice it to say, dear
listener, that neither Peter nor

534
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,200
Gerard is telling the truth.
They're not.

535
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,520
I mean, they're telling of,
they're telling a version.

536
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,200
So the the the flashbacks we see
are like the truth question,

537
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,440
like quotation marks, but both
Peter and Gerard are like lying

538
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,160
through their teeth on the
different kinds of setups and

539
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,120
motivations that people and
characters have.

540
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,080
Yeah, Yep.
And is this the point where

541
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,000
Ennis drew the the swirly thing
in the wall?

542
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,400
Yeah.
So I think it's in this because

543
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,280
there's a, there's a, the big
hack, the big group gathering of

544
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,360
all of these very powerful
werewolves, because there's a

545
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,000
very powerful alpha that lives
in Beacon Hills that she can

546
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,360
shapeshift.
And you know, Gerard's like

547
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,720
spinning this like magical web
of tails.

548
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,280
And so you look out of the
distillery door and a wolf comes

549
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,280
to you that like big black wolf
with the big red eyes that shows

550
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,920
up everywhere, and it turns into
tall hail.

551
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,600
Who?
Is established in this moment

552
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,000
the matriarch who is established
as the wolf that they would

553
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,440
quote go to for advice and
guidance.

554
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,480
So Talia is kind of set up to be
like the alpha of alphas as all

555
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,840
of the alphas would come to her
to seek answers to complicated

556
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,280
problems.
A piece of fan in that's in

557
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,440
here, there is a so most of the
characters who speak in this

558
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,080
little gathering of alphas, it's
Colleen and this Dukelian and

559
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,160
then a guy named Marco who's
sassing Dukelian and then this

560
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,160
girl, this like other girl who's
kind of standing next to Colleen

561
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,040
hanging out and then she goes
and puts the clothes on Talia

562
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,760
when she transforms back into a
person.

563
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,160
Is this supposed canonically you
transform naked right?

564
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,320
Canonically, you transform
naked.

565
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,120
Is this supposed to be Laura?
Oh.

566
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,120
Maybe.
Is this supposed to be Laura?

567
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,320
Was Laura kind of, you know,
getting the getting the

568
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,520
training?
Was she like hanging out with

569
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,600
these alphas?
Was she like the Hail pack

570
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,600
representative in this big
gaggly group of whatever?

571
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,920
I guess she'd be the right age,
right?

572
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,720
But we don't know 'cause they're
never.

573
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,720
Yeah, 'cause they never talk
about it.

574
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,720
So yeah, I just again I have, I
have some questions.

575
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,400
Questions.
Yeah, no, it does.

576
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,560
It says.
IMDb says that Laura Hale is

577
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,240
credited in this episode.
Well, banana Boat, there we go.

578
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,840
It's Laura.
It's Laura.

579
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,480
Hi, Laura.
So.

580
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,760
Well, the back story that this
fucking show could have just

581
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,280
been like, thank you, Laura.
Yeah, you could have just been.

582
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,640
Thank you, Laura.
Thank you, my dear, sweet Laura.

583
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,840
My dear eldest daughter.
My dear eldest, yeah.

584
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,640
My next in line.
My next in line.

585
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,080
The air to my.
The air to my teeth, I don't

586
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,240
know, it wouldn't have taken
much.

587
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,120
Yeah, seriously, it wouldn't
have taken that much, but

588
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,520
Deukalian is in this space and
is trying so hard to be like a

589
00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,200
calm and rational leader.
Yes, in, in the flashbacks and

590
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,840
in this.
What I couldn't I write down how

591
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,120
long ago we're assuming this
was.

592
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,480
It was like 7 years.
So yeah, because Derek is 15,

593
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,520
we're assuming he's between
'cause this is season 3 now.

594
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,600
So he's like 2223.
Yeah.

595
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,080
So we're 7-8 years.
Yeah, this version of Decalion

596
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,680
is like kind of calm, trying to
keep shit together.

597
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,840
He doesn't want the death of
this one wolf to become a war

598
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:34,480
between these 34A packs and the
hunters, which he is rightly

599
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,880
assuming is what's gonna happen.
Yeah.

600
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,000
And it's Ennis is the one who's
like Vengeance scrawl on the

601
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,200
wall.
Yeah.

602
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,720
And does that actually.
Very cool, it looked cool.

603
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,960
That was some good effects.
It was great.

604
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,320
Yeah, I was like, all right,
cool.

605
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,360
So then again we get more lore
and season 3 is great with lore.

606
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,960
And a lot of lore in this
fucking episode.

607
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,240
A lot of.
Lore in this episode.

608
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,400
And so we flashed back to the
loft where they're talking about

609
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,760
Ennis and Ennis has lost a beta
and the kind of pain that comes

610
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,080
with losing a beta.
The the, the overwhelming need

611
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,080
for revenge.
And it's Cora who says losing a

612
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,680
member of your pack isn't like
losing family.

613
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,760
It's like losing a limb.
And if we take the if we take a

614
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,600
big pause here for a moment,
many pack members has Derek

615
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,560
lost?
All of his limbs.

616
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,800
He is a walking torso.
All of his limbs, like he he

617
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,800
just got his arm cut off.
Again.

618
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,800
Just like just now, he lost.
Yeah.

619
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:46,880
He's in the last what week?
He's however long has lost Erica

620
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,760
and then Boyd.
Boyd and he, I mean, technically

621
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,080
he killed Boyd like it was his
claws.

622
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,160
Like he didn't, he didn't do it,
but like it was his claws.

623
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Yeah, he was the weapon used to
kill him.

624
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,840
Yeah, like I just.
Yeah.

625
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,920
Losing him of your pocket isn't
like losing your family.

626
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,960
It's like losing a limb.
And so Cora really sets up the

627
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,880
kind of traumatic loss that
Ennis is feeling and that maybe

628
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,639
at this moment, Derek is
feeling.

629
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,400
Yep, yeah.
And it's, you know, canonically

630
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,840
that really holds.
I think fandom really does more

631
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,199
with that, and I think partially
because you can write so much

632
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,040
more internally about that kind
of struggle then you can portray

633
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,920
on screen, or at least a show
like like Teen Wolf was able to.

634
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,040
Because I think a lot of that is
like internal struggle and

635
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,880
strife.
I would have been nice to see a

636
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,239
lot more of that.
Like it would have made a very

637
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,760
sad show constantly to be like,
yeah, I'm not feeling it today.

638
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,880
My heart hurts.
Yeah, my heart hurts too much

639
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,120
like they they would have just
shown up as ghosts.

640
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,600
All the time.
Yeah, all the.

641
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,240
Time that and that would be
amazing.

642
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,040
Derek just seeing the ghosts of
his betas all the time.

643
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,720
Of Erica and Boyd and his mom
and Laura just following him

644
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,080
around all the time.
That'd be great.

645
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,480
So Peter kind of takes the the
the story time next and he says

646
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:20,400
where I saw profound loss, Derek
saw an opportunity to always be

647
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,640
with her.
And my notes read First of all,

648
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,200
Sir, fuck you.
Yeah, first of all, no.

649
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,960
Absolutely not.
Where Derek saw profound loss,

650
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,800
Peter saw the opportunity to
manipulate his nephew.

651
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,400
Yeah.
And I want to know what Peter

652
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,680
really was going to gain from
doing this to Paige.

653
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:50,240
Like, was it a short term, like,
oh, if if we do this to Paige,

654
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,120
this is what I'm going to get
out of it?

655
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,120
Or did he have like a long game
plan?

656
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,080
Because it wasn't going to be
Peter's or no, it wouldn't have

657
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,760
been Peter's beta.
It wouldn't have been because

658
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,160
none of them were alphas.
No, it was.

659
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,320
So he says a little bit later
that like Ennis is doing this as

660
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,520
a favor to Talia or as a favor
to Derek to get in good with

661
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,480
Talia because everybody wanted
to be good in good with Talia.

662
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,000
But I feel like the way Peter
saw it, it was that Peter like

663
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,840
set it all up.
And so then Ennis would be.

664
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,360
A little in debt to Peter.
He'd be a little in debt to

665
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,000
Peter.
I got you in good with my

666
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,160
sister.
You owe me one.

667
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,760
Yeah, I just think it's such a
small debt like oh, I I got you

668
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,400
in a little.
The the triangle is so little

669
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,720
right like the.
Triangle is so little, but Peter

670
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,400
is so desperate.
He's so desperate, like you made

671
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,200
my nephew for Talia, like you
made my son a little bit happy.

672
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,800
I'll remember that.
Well, but basically it would.

673
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,120
It would mean that Ennis's pack
and the Hale pack would have to

674
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,680
be in good relations at all
times because Derek and Paige

675
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,240
would be together.
And so you couldn't.

676
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,240
You couldn't make war between
Ennis and Talia.

677
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,000
Right, because the packs have
always held true to.

678
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,160
Because you're, because Romeo
and Juliet, because you're not

679
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,080
supposed to kill each other
over, you know, young love.

680
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,800
You're not supposed to.
You're really not.

681
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,640
So I really love the way that
that episode a little bit sets

682
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,520
up.
Derek is kind of an echo to

683
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,600
Scott, or I guess Scott is an
echo to Derek is Derek is

684
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,600
sitting in, He's sitting in
class and he can hear, I think

685
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,160
it's Ave.
Maria that Paige is playing in

686
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,920
the music room, that he can hear
over his entire class, over all

687
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,080
the kids in the hallway.
Yeah, you can hear her playing

688
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,120
halfway across campus.
She's his anchor.

689
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,040
Oh no.
Oh, nobody.

690
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,160
Oh.
Nobody that's.

691
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,440
Not going to work out for you.
He's he's such a cutie patootie

692
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,280
and like finally, like a good
job.

693
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,200
You made it.
I know.

694
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,200
You made it to cutie Patootie
Dom.

695
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,200
I did.
And you know, you hear Peter's

696
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,240
voice over with like, Derek
having this constant fear that

697
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,360
something was going to happen to
Paige.

698
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,360
Like did was he or was that you?
Like are you telling Cora and

699
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,000
Styles that Derek had a constant
fear, or was that really a

700
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,400
constant fear?
No, that was just Peter.

701
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,400
That was Peter projecting.
Yep, because that's when we see

702
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,160
young Peter sitting with Derek
at lunch and like looking over

703
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,600
at another table where Paige is
alone and being like, well, I'd

704
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,160
be worried too about her finding
out that we're wolves because

705
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,280
you know, they always leave when
when they find out we're wolves.

706
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,040
It'll happen.
It'll happen to you.

707
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,640
And the only way to make sure
that you'll always be together

708
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,280
is to turn her.
But then in the loft, adult

709
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,840
Peter is like I told him not to
do it.

710
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,160
I told him not to do it.
I told him it was a terrible

711
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,000
idea.
I.

712
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,000
Bet he even blames me, the
little choke in his voice.

713
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,760
I bet he even blames me.
Like fuck.

714
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,640
Off Fuck you first of all.
Fuck.

715
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:13,000
First of all, fuck you.
And second of all, it flashes

716
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,360
back to young Peter going I have
the perfect idea.

717
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,560
It's like God.
Damn it.

718
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:18,880
So.
Much.

719
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,560
I also really love the sponsored
by Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.

720
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,680
Talking about perfect
combinations again.

721
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,960
The perfect I.
Was like, I was like, oh look.

722
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,280
I can eat one of those right
now.

723
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,600
Yes, on a very on an only
slightly related side note, when

724
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,040
we go to the grocery store in
Sweden, because it's like an

725
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,720
hour and a half away, but they
have a much more interesting

726
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:42,440
selection of food than what I
get normally they have like a

727
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,280
little America section.
Oh, adorable.

728
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,440
And every once in a while,
they'll have Reese's Peanut

729
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,880
butter cups in it.
And I'm like, you're great.

730
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,000
They have a.
Little Allison Reese's peanut

731
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,840
butter cups.
I love, I love Reese's peanut

732
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,360
butter cups.
They're so hard to ship.

733
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,880
And I'm just like, I can't
because.

734
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,480
They melt.
Because they melt.

735
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,520
I just want to go home and eat a
lot of Reese's peanut butter

736
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,640
cups.
So I like to get the stuff it's

737
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,240
called it's oat house.
It's oat butter.

738
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,960
Yum.
And they have a flavor that's

739
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,600
like chocolate chip, like
chocolate chip cookie dough that

740
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,200
sounds amazing in the summer.
You can't get it with the

741
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,680
chocolate chips in it.
It's a you have to get it

742
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,560
chipless because the chips melt
when they ship.

743
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,760
Yeah, and.
I was like so I missed getting a

744
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,480
jar of with the chips before
they stop shipping for the

745
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,320
summer and I was like no how so
now you have to get it chipless

746
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,880
and I was like that's fine like
those.

747
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,920
I appreciate your attention to
quality.

748
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,560
But like, Peter is just lying
out of his ass right now.

749
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,760
He's just lying.
He's lying to these kids.

750
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,080
And Styles and Cora are learning
about all of this because like,

751
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,920
Styles is kind of learning about
it for the first time, right?

752
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:58,520
But Cora is, I think if we like
kind of extrapolate a little

753
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,960
bit.
It's not long after Paige that

754
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,280
Derek finds Kate.
No, it would have been like a

755
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,360
year because he was like.
It would have been like less

756
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,720
than that.
It's like it's right in this

757
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:14,880
because, you know, we know
because Deukalian and Talia are

758
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,240
doing all of these things and
then Gerard and to Deukalian.

759
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,920
So Gerard knows what's going on
with Derek.

760
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,120
And if if like Chris is in town,
Kane will be there in a minute.

761
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Yeah.
So like, it's, it's very

762
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,080
reasonable that all of this is
happening like within a year's

763
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,960
time.
And so Cora, who was very, very

764
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,720
young, what was she?
So she's 17 now.

765
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,440
How long?
Like 10.

766
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,880
Yeah, so she would have been,
you know, 5th, 6th grade is

767
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,720
finally getting to learn about
what happened to her Big

768
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:55,280
Brother, what changed and how
did it happen.

769
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,560
And fucking Uncle Peter is lying
to her face.

770
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,280
And I'm just.
Awful asshole, I hate it.

771
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,600
I hate it.
Speaking of things that I hate,

772
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaking of things that I
fucking hate.

773
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:15,760
So we next go to Chris and
Gerard who find this like seller

774
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,240
that Derek and Peter were hiding
out in and we get more like

775
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,320
lore.
So there's this big tree root

776
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,320
thing in the cellar and there's
blood, kind of old blood all

777
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,560
over the over the tree roots.
And they start talking about the

778
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,280
druids and how the druids would
come in and do work on this like

779
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,200
big central tree in a Grove.
And Gerard starts talking about

780
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,400
the legend of like Han and how
he what and how they were cursed

781
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,560
by Zeus and the druids came in
to help like Han and his

782
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,200
followers like control the shift
and control the curse and then

783
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,760
they all work together and it's
just like why?

784
00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:00,440
Why?
Part of me I, I didn't check out

785
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,240
during this, but I was like, are
you just like obfuscating?

786
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,000
Why are we telling this whole
myth that's like, it's like a

787
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,000
real myth.
And then the show added in,

788
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,160
yeah, a bit about like at the
end about the werewolves and

789
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,280
stuff.
And he's like, this is where we

790
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,560
get the word lycanthropy, like,
OK.

791
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:19,960
Cool guys.
And oh, but this is also like

792
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,560
the first time we hear the the
Nematon.

793
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,200
Nematon.
Nematon.

794
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,240
Nematon.
The Nematon the.

795
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,520
Nematon.
Is the name of that big ass

796
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,640
tree, yeah.
But yeah, the whole story, I was

797
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,680
like, OK, I mean, this episode's
not very long and we got a lot

798
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,600
to do, so come on.
Skedaddle.

799
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,160
But.
All of this comes together to

800
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,880
say two things.
One, that there are druids who

801
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,000
work directly with werewolves
and that they always have and

802
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,320
that they continue to do so to
this day.

803
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:57,760
Who they're a a, a druid who
works with a pack is called an

804
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,080
emissary.
And it turns, it turns out it

805
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,160
gets name dropped that
veterinarian, Doctor Allen

806
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,320
Deaton was the emissary to the
hail pack.

807
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,000
Deaton worked directly with
Talia.

808
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,080
Now we are finally here to
answer questions from season

809
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,120
fucking one.
Remember in season 1 when the

810
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,160
sheriff was like, hey, have you
ever seen this like swirly

811
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,240
pattern before on a, on a
creature?

812
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:28,280
Hey, do you know about that?
Like hail, fire that.

813
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,200
Happened the way.
Back Hey, have you ever heard of

814
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,880
a guy named Peter Hale?
Hey, could you solve this case

815
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,360
in like 5 minutes if you could
just tell me exactly what's

816
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,200
going on in town?
Oh you could, but you won't.

817
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,600
Thanks.
Like so I think the answer was

818
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,560
that they that the writers just
didn't know.

819
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,000
I think that's.
True, but looking back at it I

820
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,880
just get so mad at season 1
Deaton.

821
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,960
Oh yeah.
You knew everything.

822
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,240
You knew all of it.
You knew about the Alpha Pack.

823
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,440
You knew about Ducalian.
You knew about the Hailfire.

824
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,080
You knew about Peter coming
back.

825
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,960
You knew about all of it.
You knew about all of it.

826
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,360
You knew.
Yeah, you knew.

827
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,400
You knew.
And you said nothing.

828
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,120
You knew and you said nothing.
And so again, core hail coming

829
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,640
in.
Dropping some Teen Wolf lore

830
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,920
that packs have emissaries but
the emissary is a secret.

831
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,600
Sometimes the emissary is a
secret, even to the pack.

832
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,560
That doesn't make any sense.
That's just that's backfill for

833
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,640
why people didn't recognize each
other.

834
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,520
Yeah, it's got to be.
Yeah, it's got to be.

835
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,000
It has absolutely got to be.
But Alan Deaton is the Halpac

836
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,880
Emissary cannon cannon cannon.
Yep, and has been for a long

837
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,680
time and never aged.
Never not.

838
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,840
Once I'm actually into the fact
that the emissaries could, like,

839
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,360
live a long time, yeah.
It makes sense.

840
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,560
I don't think that's cannon, but
it's definitely fannin.

841
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,520
It's cannon in my heart.
It's.

842
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,400
Cannon in my heart.
I don't think they've said it.

843
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,840
So I don't think we can qualify
it as fannin or, sorry, as

844
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,440
Cannon, but I think we can
qualify it as fannin, and I'm OK

845
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,280
with that.
I'm into it.

846
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,040
Fucking Dean just hiding all his
secrets.

847
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:15,000
OK, where does that leave us?
That leaves us at the flashback

848
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,520
of Deaton talking to Talia and
Dekalian.

849
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,640
Yeah, and they're trying to
convince Dekalian, is trying to

850
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:27,120
convince Deaton and Talia to
meet with Gerard, Yes, to kind

851
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,520
of come to come to a truce
because Dekalian doesn't want

852
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,280
war.
He wants to solve this conflict

853
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,480
peacefully.
Yes, and.

854
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,760
Talia says that Gerard Arden is
a complete psychopath and she is

855
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,280
not wrong.
She's not wrong.

856
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,160
Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah.
I mean, obviously, I mean, we're

857
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,880
the kind of people who love back
story episodes to be like how

858
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,040
what are the conflicts that the
Argents and the the Hales have

859
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,920
had like going back 100 years?
Let's how did, what does Talia

860
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,320
know about Gerard and Chris?
What are their private?

861
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:59,720
But they're not going to do
that.

862
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:05,240
Are you telling me that that
Alpha Talia Hale, who knows and

863
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:09,320
has worked with and around
Gerard and Christopher Argent,

864
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:15,720
does not know what an Argent
smells like enough to smell an

865
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:19,720
Argent on her son?
You know, you don't think.

866
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,080
You don't think?
Yeah.

867
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:26,520
You don't think?
Yeah, I know, I know.

868
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,160
So, unfortunately for literally
all of us, our next flashback is

869
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,880
our sweet page.
Yeah, she is at the school late

870
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,000
at night.
And the first time I watched

871
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,480
this, I was like, what are you
doing there?

872
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,560
And it's, she has a piece of
paper in her hand that if you

873
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,760
don't know to look for it,
you're never going to see it.

874
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,680
And it's she has a, you
basically have to know this to

875
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,880
know it.
She has a note in her hand that

876
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,560
she thinks Derek has written her
to tell her to meet her at the

877
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,640
school.
Yeah, that's why she's there.

878
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,560
That's why she's there.
But if you don't know that

879
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,920
you're not, you really can't
tell that.

880
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,160
Which I think is unfortunate,
but it's not Derek that she's

881
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,280
about to meet.
It's Ennis in the hallway,

882
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,560
completely wolfed out and ready
to pounce.

883
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,240
So we're just supposed to
believe as as consumers of this

884
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:21,360
media, that Derek set up page to
get bitten by Ennis?

885
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,120
No, no, no.
That's an Uncle Peter plan.

886
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,120
That is an Uncle Peter Pan.
That's an Uncle Peter plan.

887
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,120
Because Derek is like, hanging
out in the locker room, gripping

888
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,680
his emotional support
basketball, like listening to

889
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,320
this, Yeah.
We're supposed to believe that

890
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,880
he was just going to like, wait
while this happened?

891
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:45,160
And do we know that if at this
age, Derek has ever seen someone

892
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,040
get turned?
I doubt it.

893
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,120
Know what happens?
I doubt it.

894
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,840
Yeah, and like, why pick the
grossest of the alpha?

895
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,280
I mean, yeah, he wouldn't.
This is it's obviously all

896
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,240
Peter, so he's listening in
while Anna's attacks page.

897
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,240
It's not going well, no.
It's not going well, She.

898
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,440
Is screaming and crying and it's
too much for Derek.

899
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,560
He comes and busting out of
there.

900
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,400
And also, Peter is listening to
this happen, I think, because

901
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,360
he's gross.
Yeah, because he's the worst.

902
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,720
So Derek comes busting out to
attack Ennis and try to stop the

903
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:22,600
bite.
He just gets heeded into the

904
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:23,880
wall.
Correct.

905
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,800
Like he is small boy.
There's no way he's stopping

906
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,760
this and it doesn't matter.
It's too late.

907
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:35,240
Paige has been bitten.
Paige has been bitten and so

908
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:39,880
like Ennis just holds Derek down
to like watch Paige suffer and

909
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,520
Peter, the look at his face is
like how has it all gone wrong?

910
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,840
No, I couldn't imagine this
happening.

911
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,520
Like like.
Sir.

912
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,720
Fucking piece of shit like and
okay, does Derek not remember

913
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:58,400
that this happened with Ennis or
does he not?

914
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,240
Because like in the future, he
sees Ennis and he's not like you

915
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:06,120
bit Page.
Yeah, I mean, like from a, from

916
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,280
a realistic standpoint, it
probably wasn't written yet.

917
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,360
From an emotional standpoint, as
soon as like, Derek brings up

918
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,360
Paige and Scott's gonna ask
about Paige and then Derek's

919
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,120
gonna talk about Paige, and he
doesn't want to do that.

920
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,440
Both Derek and Ennis were
present, so they already know

921
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,760
the beef that they have with
each other.

922
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,800
Sure, Yeah, yeah, 'cause
there's, there's when you look

923
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,800
back on it, you're like, so did
you not remember that this is

924
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,720
the guy who killed your
girlfriend, Like.

925
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,360
Remember that.
Remember that.

926
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,960
You know what that happened.
So yeah, it's not great for

927
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,800
Paige.
And instead of continuing the

928
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,520
storyline, the show opts to roll
back to Gerard, and Deaton has

929
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,040
come to arrange this meeting
with Dekalian.

930
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:52,040
Both sides has told a story
about either the scorpion and

931
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,840
the frog or the scorpion and the
turtle.

932
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,840
Yeah.
And I think just to show that

933
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,840
there are differing and maybe
conflicting viewpoints, they

934
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,720
each have a different name for
the same story, but it's the

935
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:07,600
same story about Scorpion of the
Frog, but Gerard has a different

936
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,600
name for it.
And that the is it The frog

937
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,320
knows it's a trap or get.
I forget how it all goes, but

938
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,000
it's all about it being a trap.
It's just my nature.

939
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,880
It's just my nature that I'm a
beast.

940
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:26,480
So Gerard and his hunters are
meeting up with Decalion and in

941
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,840
the the distillery which I don't
know who is making booze like

942
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,440
what was going on here.
Instead of having a nice call

943
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:38,120
meeting Gerard opens up some
sort of valve to release a a

944
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:43,320
white gas on both the wolves and
his own hunters.

945
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,560
In the story, he calls it an
ambush to Allison.

946
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,160
Yeah, and Allison's like they
attacked you.

947
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,280
And then we watch the flashback
and it's just Gerard who then

948
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:01,080
proceeds to take his baseball
bat, who like, and he starts to

949
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,520
talk about this.
You know, the first weapon that

950
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:08,680
man ever produced was a was a
spiked Mace.

951
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,400
And he so we talked like way
earlier when they were talking

952
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,880
about Ennis beta, who had been
sliced in half.

953
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,760
It's like they they pulled his
own claws out of his hands, and

954
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,440
they pulled his own claws out of
his hand so that Gerard could

955
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,960
attach them to a baseball bat.
Yeah, Rose.

956
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,240
And it it like, I was sitting
here going like, why would

957
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:33,200
Gerard want to make a werewolf
claw baseball bat until he

958
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,960
started whacking his own men
over the face because Dukeili

959
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,440
was like, you those are your own
men.

960
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,840
Those are your own men.
And I'm sitting here going like,

961
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,480
yeah, but Gerard killed them.
But it's going to look like

962
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,680
Deukalian did it because it's
got werewolf claw marks.

963
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,960
Sure is that.
Bastard, that bastard.

964
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,200
Mm hmm.
He's the worst.

965
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,120
The fucking worst.
The worst?

966
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,960
Deukalian crawls out of the barn
only to get, you know, caught by

967
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,440
Gerard.
And Deukalian's like, I had a

968
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,560
vision of peace.
And as soon as he says that,

969
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,040
you're like, Oh no.
Sorry dude, Doom for the

970
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,720
narrative.
Doomed.

971
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,960
Gerard stabs him through the
eyes with two of those like

972
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,040
flash bang arrows and they like
spark in his head.

973
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,160
I really appreciate that Gerard
stabbed only deep enough with a

974
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,320
pointy arrow through his eyes
and not his brain.

975
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,160
Yeah.
Like level of the strength was

976
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,640
really impressive for me.
It was very petty.

977
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,560
He could have killed him I think
maybe, but didn't just just

978
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,840
fully blinded him so that that's
nice.

979
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,400
So we, we've come through all of
this to learn that Gerard thinks

980
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,840
that he was 100% the good guy
and that he defended his people

981
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,480
and like sought revenge after
the werewolves attacked when

982
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,440
instead Dukalian was like,
please let us let there be peace

983
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,840
between US and Dukalian.
And Gerard was like, kidding.

984
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,480
No, I'm going to frame instead.
I'm going to frame you for

985
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,000
murder.
I'm.

986
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,680
Going to kill my own people and
make it worse.

987
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,320
And then make it worse.
So love this.

988
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,000
Love this for him.
So at the loft, Peter is

989
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,800
finishing up his Derek and Page
tragedy and it's like the bite

990
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,920
didn't take with Paige.
Most of the time the bite takes

991
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,840
most of the time, most of the.
Time.

992
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,240
So we find, we find and Peter
finds Derek and Paige at the

993
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:40,200
base of the nematon.
I always want to say nematode

994
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,000
well.
You think that's what's

995
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,120
happening here?
That's not what the tree is

996
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,760
called.
No, I got Doug on the brain.

997
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,840
Do you remember Doug?
I do what?

998
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,200
Was that song?
With the beats.

999
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:51,800
Yeah.
Yeah.

1000
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,360
I'll think of it.
Yeah, there's I need more

1001
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,800
allowance and shut your gums out
and.

1002
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,800
Cuz he like bags and nematode.
I'll think of it.

1003
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,560
It's like Doug bags and
nematode.

1004
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,040
I'll think of it.
So he's like Derek is like what

1005
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,080
is happening to her?
He doesn't, I think.

1006
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,200
I think he's never seen this
happen before.

1007
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,040
So if he's seen a bite before,
it's always gone correctly and

1008
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,840
maybe that's why he was OK with
it.

1009
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,280
Maybe he.
Didn't think anything would go

1010
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,600
wrong, but he tries to take as
much of Paige's pain away as he

1011
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,080
can, like we've seen Scott do
now.

1012
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,000
Yeah.
And then poor Paige is like, I

1013
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,760
knew that you were a werewolf.
She has seen weird shit in this

1014
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,040
town that she couldn't explain,
which makes her smarter than the

1015
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,200
sheriff, correct?
Or maybe it's because she's

1016
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,200
young and her mind is still open
that she was like, right after

1017
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,040
you told me your name.
You can like, smell things and

1018
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,440
you say weird shit.
You're a werewolf.

1019
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,600
And I love you anyway, and I
love you.

1020
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,000
Anyway, Which is terrible,
because if he'd just left her

1021
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,040
alone, she'd be alive.
Yeah, if he had just left her,

1022
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,560
if she'd just not listen to
Peter.

1023
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,040
If like so many things, and none
of them were Paige's fault, and

1024
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,080
most of like none of them were
Derek's.

1025
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,040
No, like Derek was saw a good.
Lady by somebody he was

1026
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,680
manipulated by somebody he
loved.

1027
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,360
Yeah.
Again.

1028
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,760
Again, garbage.
And now he's still stuck with

1029
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,400
Uncle Peter in his adulthood.
Yeah, even after killing him.

1030
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,520
He tried so hard.
He.

1031
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,840
Tried so hard.
He got rid of him once and he's

1032
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,000
back and now he's in his loft
all the time.

1033
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,240
Just.
Hanging out, sleeping in Isaac's

1034
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:38,200
bedroom, sitting on this fancy
velvet couch, being a jerk.

1035
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:44,680
Eating his food so Paige knows
she's dying and asks Derek to

1036
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:52,160
end it so he.
And he does does and he he stays

1037
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,600
with her and tells her that he
loves her and is just is not

1038
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:01,280
doesn't let her die alone, you
know, ends her suffering, takes

1039
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,680
as much of his pain, as much of
her pain as he can.

1040
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,000
Like this is like this is the
expression of love.

1041
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,280
This is as much as he can do in
this moment.

1042
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:14,600
And I kids got a good heart.
I love him a lot, even if he's a

1043
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,840
cocky little basketball shit.
He is and my no here was like

1044
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,080
why does everything bad happen
to him?

1045
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:27,200
Yeah, and so and he flashed like
into the loft is Styles crying.

1046
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,120
He might be a little.
Damp because my I have that Cora

1047
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,880
is crying also.
So like Cora is crying, Styles

1048
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,880
is crying, Peter's dead.
He's just dead inside, like.

1049
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,440
Passing garbage and they'd bury
her in the woods like, well,

1050
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,440
what about her parents?
Well, like they put her in the

1051
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,040
woods where someone could find
her.

1052
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,680
Yeah.
Just another in Beacon Hill's

1053
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,400
long string of animal attacks
like.

1054
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,080
Fuck, I know.
But it's but it's Peter who then

1055
00:57:55,080 --> 00:58:00,800
finally kind of gives us the
crystal clear lore that Pete,

1056
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,720
that wolves with blue eyes have
killed an innocent person.

1057
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,880
Yeah, taking an innocent life
takes something from you, a bit

1058
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,520
of your soul darkening in it.
And so I really, really

1059
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:15,840
appreciate like what Fannin has
done with this because like

1060
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,880
Peter is vicious.
Peter kills with basically no

1061
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:25,440
remorse and is and is done.
Jackson has blue eyes because of

1062
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,960
what he did while he was
basically possessed by the

1063
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,720
Nematon or not by the nematon,
by by the Kenema, by or by Matt

1064
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,160
and then Gerard.
Like, so Jackson definitely

1065
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,240
murdered a bunch of people, but
like, it wasn't him.

1066
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:44,840
But his eyes are still blue.
And so when we talk about Derek

1067
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,080
and his blue eyes, like, yeah,
on the surface it's like, yeah,

1068
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,880
well, he did.
He he technically killed a

1069
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,800
person.
But there is so much lore that

1070
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,080
we do that is done in the
fandom, particularly around

1071
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,080
Derek, that has to do with guilt
and that if you feel like you

1072
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,920
are responsible.
Right.

1073
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,560
Death of an innocent person.
That it it.

1074
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,240
It colors your eyes too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1075
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,840
And I just really appreciate the
work that fandom has done on

1076
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,040
this in its efforts to kind of
take care of Paige as best as

1077
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,640
you can with a girl who's due by
the narrative.

1078
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,480
Yes, and doesn't have much
screen time and.

1079
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,760
Doesn't have much screen time.
Like does Derek physically

1080
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,280
murder her?
Like yeah kinda.

1081
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,280
Was it his fault?
No, not really.

1082
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,080
No.
Like it's, it's, and it's just

1083
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,840
about what guilt will do to a
person.

1084
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,480
And it's a really interesting
thing that fandom has, has used

1085
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,080
to kind of process, you know, if
you're processing your own

1086
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,600
guilt, what does it do to you?
What, what are you feeling?

1087
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,520
How does it affect you in the
way that you feel seen by other

1088
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,000
people?
And it's just, it's really

1089
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,680
fascinating and I love it.
It is, and you know, I, I don't

1090
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,640
know that Peter feels guilt for
anything.

1091
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,480
No, absolutely not.
Absolutely.

1092
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,360
Not so like why?
Why are his eyes blue?

1093
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,160
His.
His are dead 'cause, you know,

1094
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,920
cold blood and murder.
Cold blood and murder.

1095
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,160
Straight murder.
Yep.

1096
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,160
So we finally go back to finish
up the Deukalian storyline and

1097
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,880
we find Deukalian, like so many
werewolves before and after him,

1098
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,640
being patched up at the
veterinary clinic.

1099
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,280
We're Deaton.
I'm sure there are actual

1100
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,280
animals that he needs to take
care of and there.

1101
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,640
Are.
But in the moment, the one he's

1102
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,920
looking to heal is Deukalian.
Yeah, so he announces that

1103
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,320
Deukalian's eyes will physically
heal, but that his sight is

1104
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,640
gone.
And Eukalian has a lot of bad,

1105
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,480
bad feelings about this.
And he's like, leave me alone.

1106
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,680
And so Talia and Deaton leave
him alone.

1107
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,000
But then that little shit Marco
doesn't leave.

1108
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,160
And Eukalian knows that he's
still there.

1109
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,320
And whether he can, you know,
see him or smell him or hear his

1110
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,600
heartbeat is, you know, it could
be any number of those things.

1111
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,280
And he goes, I want to be alone.
And Marco goes, you are alone.

1112
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,120
And so we we then.
Learn you're.

1113
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,520
About to be alone.
So he we learn through this

1114
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,000
flashback that when Dukelian
kind of uses his like Alpha E

1115
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,360
Wolfie eyes that he can still
see.

1116
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,440
Yeah.
And he had, like, physical

1117
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,600
eyeballs in his head when he
shifted.

1118
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:23,320
Yeah, which is weird.
Like, like as a human, he has no

1119
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,800
eyeballs.
When he shifts, he has eyeballs.

1120
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,120
Well, no, they grew back 'cause
he's still a werewolf.

1121
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,240
So like they grew back, it's
just that they don't work

1122
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,720
anymore.
Yeah, which, OK, Why?

1123
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,080
Like is that just too much for
werewolf regeneration 'cause I

1124
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:44,840
feel like Derek is probably
missing like a pancreas and in

1125
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,840
appendix and his gallbladder
does. 3 meters of his lower

1126
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,600
intestine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1127
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:53,880
Does that all grow back?
I don't.

1128
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,080
I don't know, but it didn't in
this particular case.

1129
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,760
Maybe he was nerves.
Maybe he was weakened by

1130
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,800
whatever that like powdery
juice, foam, smoke substance

1131
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,520
was, I don't know.
The optic nerve is just too

1132
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:08,960
much.
It's just too much.

1133
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,880
But in any case, Duquelian
completely wrecks and smash

1134
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,320
murders Marco.
Oh yeah, bye, bye.

1135
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,480
He is shredded.
Bye bye.

1136
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,440
And that that's what he meant by
he's not always blind.

1137
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,840
Even though Gerard definitely
wasn't there for that particular

1138
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,400
moment.
Yeah, right.

1139
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:25,680
Like.
How do you know that?

1140
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,560
How do you know that?
But like, OK, I guess whatever.

1141
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,320
Maybe he does it throughout the
years and these just people

1142
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,320
catch on.
But you know, so Gerard is like,

1143
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,560
I'm done now.
I gave you all the information,

1144
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,680
now fucking give me your magic
medicine, Scott McCall.

1145
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,280
Scott's like I won't believe
you.

1146
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,640
I hate your guts and you're the
worst.

1147
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,680
And then we get, and like the
way that my little heart started

1148
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,040
to flutter.
You get the Scott McCall, he'll

1149
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,640
turn, He starts, he turns just a
little bit into a villain in

1150
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,320
this, and he deserves it.
So good.

1151
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:04,440
If you lied and it gets people
hurt, I'll be back to take more

1152
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,000
than your pain.
Yes, good.

1153
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,400
Good threaten.
Threaten that old man.

1154
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,480
Yeah, good.
Fuck that guy.

1155
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,160
Yes, because like we talk a lot
about Scott's, like we're not

1156
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,160
going to hurt anybody and you
trust everybody.

1157
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,680
And in this, like Scott has so
much information.

1158
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,560
We don't trust Gerard.
We can't trust Gerard.

1159
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:31,840
But I have no choice because I
need to beat Ducalians that he

1160
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,240
doesn't hurt anybody.
So I'm going to take it.

1161
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:35,960
I'm going to take it with a
grain of salt.

1162
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,560
And if it turns out that Gerard
is lying to me like he so often

1163
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,040
does, I'm going to come back and
wreck him.

1164
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,760
And like, I feel like that is as
much as I can ask of Scott, like

1165
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,720
that's you are doing the best
with the information that you

1166
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,000
have at the time that you got
it.

1167
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,560
He deserves, he deserves to
threaten this old man for

1168
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,560
everything he has done.
He absolutely does, and like, I

1169
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,120
think we're only keeping Gerard
alive for stuff like this.

1170
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,440
Yes, for sure.
But we, we don't need this man,

1171
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:03,640
no.
Absolutely not.

1172
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,320
He's we.
We don't need him.

1173
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,440
Bye bye.
Goodbye.

1174
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,200
I'm a medical miracle.
I don't give a shit.

1175
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,080
I don't care.
Jackson Whittemore was also a

1176
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,600
medical miracle.
Yeah, and we loved him.

1177
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,880
And we and we miss him every
episode.

1178
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,320
He was a piece of shit and we
loved him.

1179
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,000
You're a piece of shit and we
want you to go away.

1180
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,160
Yeah, Jackson became a werewolf,
and that could have been

1181
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,680
awesome.
Yeah, you made him go away.

1182
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,600
You.
Yeah, you did this.

1183
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,160
Your fault.
Bring back all of the betas you

1184
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:34,440
asshole.
Right.

1185
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,600
Why does Derek lose everybody?
RIP terrible.

1186
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,520
But we finally get to go back to
the loft, and Styles, in a very

1187
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,560
close conversation with Cora,
actually calls out the

1188
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,240
unreliable narrator.
Yes, yeah.

1189
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:53,560
They he he's sad, but he does
not believe Peter.

1190
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,160
Mostly he is like, because he's
he's smart.

1191
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,920
It's like, I don't think we got
the whole story because like,

1192
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:02,880
why would you?
It's it's Uncle Peter, and he

1193
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,160
just wants to ask Derek about
what happened.

1194
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,880
Which is correct.
That's correct.

1195
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,160
I don't know why he thinks Derek
would ever tell them anything.

1196
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,600
Yeah, I don't know.
Like, Derek's never told you a

1197
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,800
single thing about his life.
So like, good luck.

1198
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,000
Why would he start now?
Why would he start now?

1199
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,760
But I appreciate that Stiles is
the one who's like, let's just

1200
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,160
ask him.
Yeah.

1201
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:28,800
And then they, for no reason I
can understand, for absolutely

1202
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,760
no narrative reason that I can
put together, they set up that

1203
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,560
little scene between Cora and
Styles.

1204
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,440
Are you really going to ask
Derek about the girl he fell in

1205
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,720
love with and then killed?
If I have to, yeah.

1206
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:43,520
Why?
Because that's my man.

1207
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,520
Why have you said why did you
put this?

1208
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,360
I don't understand.
Do you think that they thought

1209
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:54,520
these moments were like Cora
Styles heavy and not Styles

1210
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,720
Derek heavy?
But I think they were trying.

1211
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,720
So if if you look at Teen Wolf
as a whole, they try to put

1212
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,480
styles with every available hail
except for Derek.

1213
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,400
I know, they really do.
Like this is kind of the

1214
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,640
starting setup for Cora and
styles.

1215
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,200
It doesn't soup or go anywhere.
It goes like a little, it goes

1216
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,400
like a little where, but not
really anywhere.

1217
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,080
Well, I mean, the beginning of
this conversation is Cora being

1218
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,040
like, what's this look on your
face, the kind that makes me

1219
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,680
want to punch you and Styles
like, Oh my God, you are so

1220
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,080
Derek's sister.
Like a little banter.

1221
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,960
Yeah.
I mean, is supposed to be

1222
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,600
reminiscent of the like I'm
gonna punch you in the face,

1223
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,160
kind of.
Shit, I'm gonna rub your throat

1224
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:34,880
out with my teeth kind of like
stuff.

1225
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,960
And yeah, so like, at the very
beginning of the episode, Cora's

1226
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,240
like, well, why are you here?
Why are you even here?

1227
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:45,640
What, Like, what do you want?
And so Styles, it showed up at

1228
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,160
Derek's house.
And then he starts to talk

1229
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,560
about, you know, Scott and like,
the the sacrifices and Heather

1230
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,760
and all these people.
And I'm still going, like, yeah.

1231
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,080
And you showed up at Derek's
house because he's on your list

1232
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:03,200
of things that you care about.
Because he just had to kill one

1233
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:07,120
of his only friends, his family.
He's on.

1234
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:08,680
He's on your list of things you
care about.

1235
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,440
He's not the only thing you care
about.

1236
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,160
Of course not.
But he's on your list.

1237
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,120
Like, I Yeah.
So they're, they try, I think,

1238
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,160
to start setting up Cora and
Styles here.

1239
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,800
It doesn't really take, but you
know, to use the room.

1240
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:27,040
I am just whacked upon the face
with with with styles Derek, but

1241
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,000
that's because my because my
goggles are on too tight.

1242
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,560
My goggles are on real tight.
Yeah, but the styles core

1243
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,400
doesn't go anywhere.
Not really.

1244
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,280
Not really.
I mean, like, fine, but it's not

1245
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:40,800
the hail we're looking for.
It's.

1246
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,400
Not the hail we're looking for,
but no.

1247
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaking of the hail we're
looking for, we have to end the

1248
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,760
episode on Derek.
Yes, we have present day Derek.

1249
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,320
Looking, we got to go to past,
we got to go to past Derek.

1250
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,040
Oh, sorry, yes, I forgot.
I I in my brain, I had talked

1251
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:58,320
about it and then I skipped.
We have a final flashback of

1252
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:03,360
Derek at the Nematon and his
mother comes down and his he's

1253
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:08,880
like, my eyes are different and
they are bright blue and she's

1254
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,000
like, they're different but
still beautiful and.

1255
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,720
Just like the rest of you.
Just like the rest of you, sweet

1256
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:21,000
boy.
Yeah, and then adult Derek is?

1257
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:26,760
Looking, by the way, ripped
right open whatever this like

1258
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:33,200
heartbroken vulnerable thing
that's happening with his whole

1259
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:38,760
face is wild.
Yeah, Tyler Heckland does that

1260
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,840
super well.
Yeah, the I am bleeding on the

1261
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,040
inside.
Yes, he is bleeding on the

1262
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,640
inside.
He is back at that distillery,

1263
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:53,200
staring at that same carved
spiral circle spiral thing, the

1264
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,760
sign of the vendetta that has
been on the distillery wall.

1265
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,600
I guess he's about to start some
shit.

1266
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,720
Why do you think he's back?
Like a plot?

1267
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:07,160
Plot device aside, why do you
think that Derek is back at the

1268
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:12,399
distillery?
It feels like a location of

1269
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:18,000
importance, like this is where
this is where stuff happened.

1270
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,640
Like this is where he and Paige
were supposed to have like a

1271
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:27,840
good moment and it got ruined.
This is where the packs were

1272
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:32,720
supposed to come to a truce in
an agreement and it got ruined.

1273
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:37,120
This is where, and I guess he
doesn't know it, that that

1274
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:41,000
Dekalian was supposed to meet
with Gerard for truce and that

1275
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,279
got ruined.
It feels like you know how some

1276
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:47,319
locations are just important to
a storyline.

1277
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:52,479
So I think one it's it's plot
device important that he comes

1278
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,880
back here.
I think for him it's about Page

1279
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,400
and maybe the pack, because I
think it's got to be close to

1280
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,960
home, right?
If everyone keeps meeting here.

1281
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:07,160
Yeah, I mean it, It looks like
it's out in nowhere, but it has

1282
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:12,520
to be close to home if Talia and
and the Hales keep and and and

1283
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,640
if like him as a teenager came
here to make out.

1284
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,240
Yeah, that's gotta be close to
home.

1285
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,000
I disagree with you.
Does.

1286
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,360
He not know why he came here.
I, I, he came here because it's

1287
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,120
a plot device.
That's why he came here.

1288
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:25,440
He came here because it's a plot
device.

1289
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:31,320
But I think the like character
reason for it is like, because

1290
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:38,000
we just set up the lore now,
we're gonna ignore, we're gonna

1291
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,400
ignore Erica in this moment.
Sure.

1292
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,360
Because Erica died before we got
the lore.

1293
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,240
So we got the lore today that
losing your PAC number is like

1294
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,360
losing a limb.
And so this is kind of the first

1295
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:56,200
PAC member that Derek has lost
since kind of getting that lore

1296
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,440
introduced.
He was the one.

1297
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,360
I guess he must have like
absorbed Boyd's powers because

1298
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,120
the alphas are like, you know,
you got to kill one of your own

1299
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,080
and it like absorbs into you.
And I did wonder about that.

1300
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:13,200
I think that he goes back here
to stare at this thing because

1301
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,400
he is finally understanding what
NS was going through.

1302
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,520
Oh, after losing a pack member?
Or after killing a Piper?

1303
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,320
After.
Ennis lost a pack member, and

1304
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:29,120
the rage and the pain and the
confusion that he felt

1305
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,440
considering, you know, that
Collie was involved in that.

1306
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:35,560
Ennis is, you know, fucked up in
all kinds of ways, but I think

1307
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,560
that Derek is finally able to
kind of empathize a little bit

1308
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,040
with what Ennis was going
through.

1309
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,280
He may not have understood it at
the time.

1310
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,160
He does now.
And being back in that space and

1311
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:51,160
seeing Ennis and seeing the
swirl then reminds him of Paige,

1312
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,600
OK.
Yeah, I can see that.

1313
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,400
And like that, that's how it
kind of all ties together.

1314
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,040
That's what that's where I'm
going.

1315
01:11:58,640 --> 01:11:59,880
But no, they're, there's a plot
device.

1316
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:02,520
They're 100% there's a plot
device to establish this as a

1317
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,680
location.
But yeah, I just, I think that

1318
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:10,520
Derek and his like, sad
emotional state is like, oh, I

1319
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,520
get it now.
I can feel that I can be.

1320
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,280
That so different you and I.
I'm not here.

1321
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:18,840
Yeah.
I mean, sometimes you're like,

1322
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,640
yeah, but I don't want you to
feel the feels of an evil

1323
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,280
person.
No, and it's just the worst.

1324
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,160
But like, you know, we can still
have empathy with people.

1325
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:28,960
That's still fine.
Yes, that's fine.

1326
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:33,480
Yeah, empathy.
Yeah, so, like, I still don't

1327
01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:37,720
love this episode, frankly.
It's really important.

1328
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,760
I think all the things, all the
flashbacks are super good and

1329
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,720
important and I just love seeing
styles go to Derek's loft

1330
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,800
because reasons.
But like trying to keep track of

1331
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,440
who's telling the truth and who
is lying and for what purpose

1332
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:52,960
drives me.
Just drives me crazy.

1333
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,600
Yeah, and I think sometimes the
motivations are muddled.

1334
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,840
Like, yeah, yeah, I mean, Gerard
starting shit to start shit is

1335
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:03,720
fine, but it's like, what does
Ennis doing?

1336
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,640
Yeah.
Where does Kali fit into this?

1337
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,400
I don't think she does.
She's just there to she's.

1338
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,960
Just there to.
Be another pack member, Marco.

1339
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:15,520
Was he attacking Decalion just
to get rid of a weak pack

1340
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,240
member?
I guess, yeah.

1341
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,160
Yeah, there's a lot of things
that they set up in this episode

1342
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,560
that just immediately go away in
this episode.

1343
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,640
But they also do establish a lot
of they kind of back, they kind

1344
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,320
of backfill.
They do of.

1345
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,240
Of lore.
And you know what?

1346
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,080
At least they found it.
They found the holes and tried

1347
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:35,400
to patch them.
I appreciate that.

1348
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,960
Yeah, it's you know it and shows
like this.

1349
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,000
Episode give this page which you
know shows.

1350
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,560
Like this, the web gets so big
that you're like trying to hold

1351
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,240
all the pieces together, right
and keep them consistent.

1352
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:52,560
You're like, OK, I guess I'll
give you this piece in in

1353
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,200
return.
Yeah, because like so in one of

1354
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,880
the IT it's not the wiki, but
it's one of the other.

1355
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,360
It's like teen Wolf Pack dot fan
it.

1356
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:06,480
It has a a little piece about
the this episode talking trying

1357
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:08,960
to broach the the topic of
whether or not werewolves age

1358
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:13,000
slower and if that's the
conversation with Peter when

1359
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,880
Styles is like, how old are you
right?

1360
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,880
And is Peter trying to imply
that werewolves are aged?

1361
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,480
Werewolves age slower than
humans, But that wouldn't.

1362
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,000
I mean maybe, but that doesn't
jive with how they look.

1363
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,600
No, he it would mean that they
age faster, yeah.

1364
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,800
And that's just a casting
problem.

1365
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:36,080
Yeah, and a continuity problem
with trying to set up Derek's

1366
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,800
age in the pilot and then not
sticking to it.

1367
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,000
Right.
Now, if you want to set up that

1368
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,280
their werewolves age slower,
that's cool, great.

1369
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:47,160
But you have to do it by
actually saying something and

1370
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:51,240
not just Peter offhandedly being
like whatever it was that he

1371
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,880
said.
Yeah, because the cast, because

1372
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,720
the casting error would mean
that they age faster.

1373
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,960
But you know, Eric, you're 22
and you look 35.

1374
01:15:00,440 --> 01:15:03,320
Yeah, I mean he has lived 9
lives since.

1375
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,920
Seriously, they all have.
Peter's on at least his third

1376
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,280
life.
Definitely, and he should only

1377
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,440
have one.
It's like a cat.

1378
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:13,800
He's a weird cat.
No, no, no.

1379
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:18,400
That's next season.
Good times, but I I hope all of

1380
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,320
you out there enjoy this
episode.

1381
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,200
I am grateful for it because of
what it gives to Fanon.

1382
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,120
Yeah, I mean, I love back story,
right?

1383
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,560
Like, yeah, I love back story.
You get the nematon, which

1384
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,040
becomes much more important
later.

1385
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,640
So it's nice to see it.
It is kind of funny.

1386
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,280
I mean, no, it's because Beacon
Hills is a hell mouse.

1387
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:38,600
You're like, obviously it's
here.

1388
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,840
It's just funny that they're
like, it's what, their root

1389
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,640
cellar?
It's the nematon.

1390
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,440
Like, where is this?
It's hard to.

1391
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,280
Like, there's a staircase down
to it.

1392
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,360
So it's like, where is this in
your basement?

1393
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:50,760
Where is this?
Yeah.

1394
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,240
It's just sometimes it's funny.
Like every important piece of

1395
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,200
lore is literally in their
backyard.

1396
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,480
Every one of them.
Everyone.

1397
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,440
Yep.
And I think this is the first

1398
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:02,520
time we see a human rejecting
the bite because it's the next.

1399
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,080
The next one is Jackson.
Well, I mean Jackson.

1400
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,000
Lydia.
No, Lydia doesn't reject the

1401
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,680
bite like this.
She's just kind of immune to the

1402
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:11,040
bite.
It's.

1403
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,400
Just different.
Yeah, because Paige rejects it.

1404
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,120
Jackson Jackson rejects the
bite, but not in the same way

1405
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,280
that Paige did.
Jackson's rejecting the bite

1406
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:20,680
like Gerard's rejecting the
bite.

1407
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,280
But this will be the first time,
at least Derek's ever seen it.

1408
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:28,760
Or maybe maybe Peter too.
One of the things that again, I

1409
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:32,160
would love to have known what
they wanted to do it on purpose,

1410
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,560
but the lighting was too blue
and I couldn't see is was

1411
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,960
Paige's blood black or was it?
Yeah, yeah.

1412
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,920
Couldn't tell.
Yeah, because in because in

1413
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,800
season 2 when Jackson kind of
rejects the bite, he is all

1414
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,960
black.
All the all the all the ink,

1415
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,480
blood, goo stuff that comes out
of his nose.

1416
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,400
Yep, and there's a lot of it.
It's a lot of it.

1417
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,040
And that's all happening with
Gerard too.

1418
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,360
Is that about his body detecting
the bite?

1419
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,600
And it's coming out like black.
So I want to know like did pages

1420
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,400
all the blood that was like on
her, on her, on Derek, was that

1421
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,640
black like the others who we've
seen or not?

1422
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:12,160
Yeah, answer the question.
Answer the question, Jeff.

1423
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,240
Answer the question, Jeff.
I wonder if there should be

1424
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:19,800
other eye colors for werewolves,
like neon green if you like, I

1425
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,880
don't know.
And become a master gardener.

1426
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,120
You're purple.
You smell like flowers.

1427
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:29,320
Yeah, like really get into it.
Yeah, that would be fun.

1428
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,400
Again, Fannin has a bunch more
eye colors and that's always fun

1429
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,520
to get into, but I really
appreciate that they at least,

1430
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:41,240
like committed to these.
Yeah, I guess again my question,

1431
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,040
Jeff, Jeffrey.
Jeffrey.

1432
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:48,720
Jeffrey middle name is when they
gave Derek blue eyes in season 1

1433
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:53,880
because it's like episode 3
episode 4 where he has very

1434
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,480
clear blue eyes.
Did they know what it meant

1435
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:59,800
then, or were they just like it?
Looks better this way?

1436
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,680
We got to ask him, when did you
decide?

1437
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,240
I'm sure I got to, you know,
probably find some deep dive

1438
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:07,840
interviews to see if they ever
said.

1439
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:09,760
Yeah, maybe.
Do a little looking up.

1440
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:11,760
But sometimes you.
Shouldn't.

1441
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,600
Yeah, I was going to say, like,
I think you shouldn't always

1442
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:20,320
have to do the deep dive
interview lore look up to

1443
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,320
understand the show.
Right.

1444
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,120
And I know there are a lot of
fans who are like, and not just

1445
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,120
of the show, but of all shows to
be like, well, you know, if you

1446
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,320
really looked into it, you would
understand what's going on.

1447
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:31,840
Like, yeah, but you shouldn't
have to.

1448
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,240
That should be like an added
bonus to go read every

1449
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,960
interview, to watch every behind
the scenes, to do all this extra

1450
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,440
work.
You should.

1451
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:44,640
You should get everything that
you need to get from the text.

1452
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,320
Yeah, it should be in the text.
Anything else is is not Canon.

1453
01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:51,880
It's like bonus content, yeah.
It's just not Canon.

1454
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:53,720
So put it in the show.
It in our hearts though.

1455
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,720
It's Canon in our hearts, Yeah.
So yeah, I don't know.

1456
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,040
It's not my favorite episode,
but I like the back story.

1457
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,160
It's just.
I don't know, Yeah.

1458
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,160
Yeah, well, you know what?
I missed Lydia a lot this week,

1459
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,800
but it's because she was doing
other stuff.

1460
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,320
She was.
She was doing other stuff, which

1461
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,120
we'll see next episode.
Girls got stuff to do.

1462
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,360
Next episode 3-9, The Girl who
knew too much.

1463
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,960
Let's go.
Have you looked on some of the

1464
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,760
wicked?
The the screenshot used for that

1465
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,200
episode is always her just
screaming.

1466
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,720
Screaming.
Like damn.

1467
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:33,520
Well, this is this is the
screamy episode, so we finally

1468
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,560
get to figure out what's going
on with Lydia.

1469
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,360
Lydia.
It is time.

1470
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,720
It is time.
So we have next week we'll have

1471
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,360
a little bit of like a lot of
bit of Lydia, a little bit of

1472
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:48,440
Scott and Lydia.
Hello, That's my favorite.

1473
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,800
And just all kinds of other good
stuff, because the plot must

1474
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,080
continue.
Yes, can't get bogged down in

1475
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,160
back story.
We must move forward.

1476
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,880
We must move forward into the
plot with these two new

1477
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:02,040
locations.
Fun.

1478
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,760
All right.
Thank you for listening.

1479
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:07,560
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1480
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,080
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1481
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:16,320
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1482
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,440
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